I think of uploading to the network, as similar to that of a spider. A spider catches and consumes it's prey, but in return it gets to become the material that later makes up the next web.
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Alan Grimes <[email protected]> wrote: > [note, I'm cc'ing kurzweilAI.net because it's rude to talk about someone > behind their back, at least I'm not being doubly-rude here]. > > I just finished reading the Big Weenie's new book. I was fairly happy with > the first 280 pages of the thing. It seemed like he was changing his spiel > to advocating a cloud based meta-cortex; very similar to what I've been > advocating recently, actually, minus the cloud part... (I think that the > idea of people putting ALL their information on the cloud was enough to > give certain key google execs the biggest boner of their lives, hence he > was hired.) > > I think he just amused himself finding several dozen random quotations for > each chapter and subsection and let his ghost-writer do the rest. Or that's > how it felt. > > He spent most of his ink talking about himself. That said, I still agree > with most of his AI ideas, fuzzy and pop-sci as they were. Writers of > pop-sci books should burn in hell for keeping people away from the real > inf0z. U guys suck. > > On pages 281 and 282 he decided to burn all the credibility he had built > up through the rest of the book. Basically, what he said was outrageous > enough that I'd propose burning him at the stake. > > LOOK, ASSHOLE, YOUR LAW OF ACCELERATING RETURNS IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS MY > EXISTENCE AS A HUMANOID LIFEFORM. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR COMPUTRONIUM. YOU CAN > UPLOAD INTO YOUR COMPUTRONIUM. YOU CAN CONVERT THE ODD MOON HERE, A GAS > GIANT THERE, A NEBULA OR TWO, EVEN A BLACK HOLE IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO > EXPLOIT ONE. KNOCK YOURSELF OUT!!! BUT STOP THERE. LEAVE THE TERRESTRIAL > PLANETS TO THE PEOPLE, FLUFFY BUNNIES, AND FURRY LITTLE MEOW-MONSTERS WHO > NEED THEM!!! > > At no point in my life have I ever granted him license to speak about my > destiny. =| > > He doesn't explicitly propose an uploading paradigm, you kinda have to > piece it together from paragraphs scattered throughout the book. While I > remain anti-uploading, the outlines he drew were slightly less unappealing > than the standard picture. His proposal for emulation was based on a > medium-high level model of the brain, while still flawed, actually could > surpass the baseline's capabilities, as an AI. The traditional proposal of > low-level simulation would always be much worse. > > The bulk of his uploading argument was on pages 240-247, though he didn't > present it as an uploading proposal. I kinda passed over it because he > didn't say anything outrageous in it. My objections to this thought > experiment are much more subtle. My objection is that at some point during > the replacement procedure a paradox will occur where you are at the point > of replacing the exact same part of the brain that would normally perceive > some kind of benefit from the procedure. The paradox being that the > benefit-receiving part of the brain would be destroyed without receiving > any benefit. > > My counter-proposal is to apply the concept of mind coalescence and > mind-meld with an external AI, avoiding unnecessary damage to the original > brain. If the procedure is successful, then the mind will have a much > firmer foundation of redundancy to start chucking obsolete parts, when and > if it decides to do so. > > This does not completely resolve the paradox, it only provides you with > the tools that will allow you to address it in a way that you might find > acceptable. > > This is not to say that after my proposal you'd necessarily go live like a > fairy in computronium. No, you still have the full breadth and depth of > human choices. Your >>> choice <<< of mentality does not at all imply any > choices about your physicality, there you have all of your tastes, > preferences, and desires to guide you. > > -- > E T F > N H E > D E D > > Powers are not rights. > > > > ------------------------------**------------- > AGI > Archives: > https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/** > 5037279-a88c7a6d<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/** > member/?&id_**secret=5037279-8beb0005<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
