On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 8:42 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: > What makes you believe that simulation is the only way to arrive at an > intelligence explosion?
I make no such claim. Self-replicating, autonomous nanotechnology is probably the simplest method. > I was talking about programmatic approaches to AGI > not simulation based approaches. So am I. I prefer methods that don't cause human extinction. AGI requires solving hard problems in language, vision, robotics, art, and modeling human behavior. There might be solutions to such problems that don't require petaflops, but 3 billion years of evolution, as well as a $70 trillion per year incentive, have failed to find them. Therefore I don't think you will either. > Also why would you need to simulate 10 > billion humans in order to improve one AGI system to the point where is can > recursively improve itself? Because its competition is not one human brain, but all of civilization. Without civilization, you will not produce anything resembling AGI. If you are a genius, you might figure out on your own that you can make a spear out of sticks and rocks and use it to hunt. But that's unlikely. Most people learned this by watching others. > Did it take 10 billion Alan Turings, Charles > Babbages or Blaise Pascals in order to invent/improve computation and > programming languages? Yes, if you count all of the people before them that invented books, agriculture, language, etc. > Our current form of intelligence does not stack ... > 100 people with an IQ of 100 will under most circumstances not > intellectually outperform a single person with an IQ of 150? Yes they will, if you measure intelligence by widely accepted measures of expected utility, such as dollars per hour. > On 03/04/2013 11:35 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: >> >> To simulate one human brain sized neural network you need about a >> million cores. To launch a singularity you need to surpass the >> intelligence of human civilization using 10 billion human brain sized >> neural networks. -- -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
