oh but ya, there is always new stuff, since as time passes entropy or complexity increases, even if we became super smart, that would only lead to more complexity, as we'd have more complex interactions with each other.
of course there are many other galaxies in our super-cluster, and many super-clusters in the universe, so that'll easily take up billions of years. Personally I don't believe in the big-bang theory of the universe is a mere 14-16 billion years old, it assumes that expansion was at different rates throughout history, actually being much faster at the beginning than now. All of this speed is purely theoretical as we can't see that far back in space/time through telescopes. I think it's kinda wishful thinking, "oh well if we can't see it, then there can't be all that much there, lets just say it was a billion years". http://cmb.physics.wisc.edu/tutorial/Big_Bang/CosmicTimeline.jpg But really if we look at for instance human development, growth is much more gradual http://www.chartsgraphsdiagrams.com/HealthCharts/images/growth-2-20-boys.png even now it's about a third of an average lifetime. though if you consider the stuff we can't see, to be before birth, it would be a bit more than a percent of the time, anyways, so we've still got a ways to go, and eventually will have to hop into those parallel universes if and when this one gets too old. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > A petabyte according to some estimates, is about half a homo-sapiens > memory capacity. > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Neither the Halting Problem nor Goedel's incompleteness theorem say that >>> there will always be new things to discover? >> >> >> They do say you could learn new things about a 'closed system' because >> there are infinite "theorems" about non-decidable problems that could be >> made. That means that the system is not actually closed. Furthermore, the >> problem cannot be associated with a 'level' of abstraction. When we talk >> about inductive problems are we actually talking about the creation of new >> logical theorems? No, although they may be new to us. That suggests that we >> did not start out talking about complete systems in the first place. So >> while I was a little dubious about Russell's statement, there is an >> argument that incompleteness implies infinite inductive potential or >> something like that. >> Jim Bromer >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Neither the Halting Problem nor Goedel's incompleteness theorem say that >>> there will always be new things to discover? Could you elaborate on that? >>> Being unable to predict/proof things within system A does not say anything >>> about whether you can actually discover new stuff ad infinitum? Just >>> because I can not disproof the existence of God or turtles carrying the >>> cosmos on their shoulders does not mean that I will discover anything? If >>> we are living in a perfect simulation the system will not allow you to find >>> out anything about the entity running those simulations for example. If you >>> can not access anything outside of your framework than you will have a hard >>> time discovering new things and Goedel's theorem will still hold true. >>> >>> On 03/14/2013 01:52 PM, Russell Wallace wrote: >>> >>>> The answer turns out to be no, not as a matter of opinion, but as a >>>> matter of mathematical proof: check out Godel's theorem, the Halting >>>> Problem etc. No matter how much you know, there will always be new >>>> discoveries to make. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------- >>> AGI >>> Archives: >>> https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/** >>> 10561250-470149cf<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10561250-470149cf> >>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/**member/?&id_** >>> secret=10561250-b8cb8eb9 <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >>> >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
