On 5/23/13, Andrew G. Babian <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm sure when they say "understand", they mean it acts in some way > comparable to what we do when we understand, not like it has the feeling of > understanding the way people do. Just a metaphor. Also, "learn" can mean > many different things, so this will just be somewhat like one or two of our > many types of learning. > andi >
OK,.... but really, it would be better if he said Watson is on the continuum of understanding. He said "understand," I believe, in a way that made it sound like an absolute, as if it there was some "understand" that was the goal and they had reached it. That was the point I was trying to make. Every program is somewhere on the continuum of understand. type a URL into a web browser -- it 'understands" what you are trying to do, eg. > On May 23, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Interesting. I would like to know a little more about the guts of >> Watson. It seems like they've linked up some usually disparate >> paradigms. It does look like as they go from application to >> application domain they need to do some considerable fine tuning, and >> they claim this help-center is easier than the medical field, which is >> no wonder.... >> >> As we enter an age when some systems are getting close to flirting >> with real strong AI, I just feel like we should watch out for people >> dropping phrases like "the computer understands....". I mean, a >> computer has always "understood" something. Even the lowly calculator >> understands "+", for example. It comes down to how far along the >> scale of understanding (which I don't think has ever been completely >> defined anyway) the system in question really is. Otherwise, some >> people may be taken into believing that HAL is really here. >> >> Mike Archbold >> >> On 5/22/13, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Watson video: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-gZkqCXOgs >>> >>> Some interesting comments. It was based on a system that took results >>> from >>> a number of probabilistic analytical methods that included natural >>> language >>> systems. Two things. Most nlp systems use highly structured relations >>> between described parts of language as references for the statistical >>> methods that they use. So Watson does not demonstrate how language may >>> be >>> learned. Secondly, as Watson solved the problem it had to handle a >>> combinatorial explosion (of a manageable size). One of the problems that >>> we >>> have is that even if we were able to begin writing programs of that kind >>> of >>> complexity we still would not be able to develop them on our computers >>> because the run time would be too slow. (However, I am struggling with >>> relatively simple programming problems so I am not even sure that is a >>> relevant issue for me.) >>> >>> I don't think that statistical methods are the way to go at this point. >>> The >>> only evidence from Watson that I have to offer is that Watson did not >>> truly >>> learn a language, much of the structure of a language was incorporated >>> into >>> the model that they used and the statistical methods were derived from >>> corpuses derived from statistical studies. However, even though I would >>> use >>> statistical models in a more constrained way than the contemporary >>> prevailing paradigms such as Watson, I would still use multiple paths >>> to >>> discovering possible 'solutions' and multiple paths to evaluate the >>> possible >>> 'solutions'. >>> >>> Jim Bromer >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> AGI >>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> RSS Feed: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >>> Modify Your Subscription: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/3870391-266c919a >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
