The basis of AGI is that a learning function can be used for a great
variety of situations.  So the use of artificial judgment in a
definition of AGI does create some additional problems.  We would want
to be able to include functions that came to decisions that seemed as
if they were based on some process of judgment even if that process
could not be explicitly defined other than as a computational function
of some kind.  For example Neural Networks are said to be able to
learn from a variety of inputs.  The idea of implicit judgment,
however, is very difficult because judgment can be good or poor.  If I
allow poor implicit judgment in my definition then I would have to
include any kind of decision process.  So the emphasis of my
definition has to be based on judgment-mediated-learning.  So to say
that a function is an AGI function I think that it has to be shown
that learning to make a decision had to typically be based on some
previous methods of learning and that it demonstrated some sound
process of judgment or insight - based on that previous learning or
given the presumptions of some input - Jim Bromer

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think that the simple differentiation of programs as narrow AI or
> AGI is overly simplistic. If there has never been an AGI program then
> that would indicate that there probably never will be, or at least not
> with contemporary computers.  Instead we need to be able to define
> sub-programs as being Narrow AI or AGI.  For example, an AGI
> subprogram might call Narrow AI functions (or subprograms).
>
> Can we distinguish AGI subprograms from narrow AI and non-AI
> subprograms?  I think that has to be done if you are going to attempt
> to define AGI in a practical way.
>
> I am going to refer to a subprogram as a function in this message even
> though it might be a little confusing.
>
> A function that does nothing other than output a value is not a Narrow
> AI program.  A Narrow AI function has to produce outputs that are
> dependent on learning and which can potentially be  used in further
> learning. This means that a Narrow AI function must be closely related
> to some other system of learning in the program.  Therefore, a
> function that might be Narrow AI in one program might not be in
> another program unless the resultants could be shared with a different
> program that could use them in learning.
>
> In order for a Narrow AI function to be used by an AGI function it
> would have to be used in some way which would require and produce some
> greater powers of judgement.  This means that the definition of an AGI
> function, while dependent on a potential of further AGI actions,
> cannot be defined simply by that dependence. So an AGI function has to
> be produced by judgement-guided learning and it has to be potentially
> useful in further judgement-guided learning.
>
> I have a preliminary definition of artificial judgement so this
> definition works for me.  However, many people have disagreed with my
> definition.  I define judgement as a process of decision or
> contemplation which is dependent on many learned processes.  This
> definition is not quite strong enough because a simplistic logical
> decision process could be qualified as judgement.  I came up with the
> Conceptual Typing theory to distinguish between simple logical or
> other simple mathematical functions and AGI learning.  So a
> requirement of AGI judgement is that a potential variety of kinds of
> Conceptual Types have to be used to make a decision.  To give you a
> simple example a causative relation is not defined by logic alone.
> (You could define a logical process by reference to a relation of
> causation but you need that reference and a potential to discover
> other relations dependent on it.)  A Conceptual Typing not only allows
> for a programmer defined typing of a Concept but it also allows for
> the dynamic definition of a Concept Type as well.  So judgement has to
> be dependent on the application of Conceptual Types.  This is not
> quite strong enough but it is a start.
>
> I hope this helps someone, other than just me. -Jim Bromer


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