"how these networks come into play when we think I'M GOING DOWNTOWN [or to the kitchen!] or any other thoughts?" — tintner michael
I think Fuster's networks of cognits can be modelled through MDPs whose states, transitions and heterarchies are bizarre. In fact, I'm programming a hierarchical MDP whose emergent properties are very similar to the ideas of Fuster. By the way, I'm not completely against top-down approaches. I only claim we must first explore in a bottom-up way and once our networks (genetic and cerebral) become experts, we can plan in a top-down way. I just wrote this note on facebook: Why Is Fuster Important for Artificial General Intelligence? (Thread from the AGI List) https://www.facebook.com/notes/juan-carlos-kuri-pinto/why-is-fuster-important-for-artificial-general-intelligence-thread-from-the-agi-/10151670991882712 On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:11 PM, tintner michael <[email protected]>wrote: > Thx. Yes I get a stimulating sense of holistic brain activity from the > intro's - vast super-networks of ideas and bodily perceptions/actions being > engaged immediately to solve problems. But does he give any specific > examples/illustrations? e.g.how these networks come into play when we think > I'M GOING DOWNTOWN [or to the kitchen!] or any other thoughts? > > > On 11 September 2013 19:47, Juan Carlos Kuri Pinto <[email protected]>wrote: > >> "Care to add a paragraph or two on why Fuster is important for AGI?" >> — tintner michael >> >> Fuster debunked lots of myths about biological intelligence. Here are >> just 3 myths he debunked: (In fact, Fuster debunked much more myths.) >> >> The Myth of Short-Term Memory in the Brain >> >> https://www.facebook.com/notes/juan-carlos-kuri-pinto/the-myth-of-short-term-memory-in-the-brain/10151368303482712 >> (I noticed OpenCog uses short-term memory extensively. ^_^) >> >> Another myth Fuster debunked was the single pyramid of patterns >> (hierarchy) and grandmother neurons. (In fact, Kurzweil, Hawkins, Hinton, >> Ng, Hutter, Solomonoff et al believe intelligence is made of a single >> hierarchy of patterns.) Fuster proved, with evidence and experiments in >> monkey brains, the brain is made of overlapped inverted pyramids >> (associative heterarchies) as his summarizing graph shows: < >> http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Cortical_memory> Such graph turns >> traditional, wrong & dogmatic understanding of the brain upside down: From >> supervised learning to unsupervised learning. From reductionist isolated >> solutions to high-level associations. From few grandmother neurons to >> abundant high-level associations (For example: Digits are few (0, 1, 2, 3, >> 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9). Real numbers (combinations of digits) are infinite.). >> From top-down planning (for example: Hutter's AIXI) to bottom-up planning. >> Etc. (Understanding his graph requires reading his books. His books are not >> easy to read. They are quite convoluted.) >> >> Other myth Fuster debunked was reductionism in the brain: Intelligence is >> in the brain network. Intelligence is neither in the neurotransmitters nor >> at the quantum level. Fuster supports holism in the brain. Trying to >> understand the brain by understanding neurotransmitters or the quantum >> level is like trying to understand written language by studying the >> chemical composition of the ink. It's simply not the right level of >> complexity. As Monica Anderson said: "When reductionists are confused, they >> search solutions at the lower levels of complexity. When holists are >> confused, they disambiguate by exploring the context in the higher levels >> of complexity." >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:33 AM, tintner michael < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Quite a confusing book - a defense of "liberty" AFAICT but not really >>> free will. I can see why it's not priced for a more popular market. Any >>> comments? >>> >>> Like squishy robots, it's a sign of how the times are changing and >>> moving towards the ideas I've been espousing. AGI *is* creativity - and >>> creativity requires free will. The linking of freedom to creativity is >>> significant. My prediction was and remains that free will will be a >>> scientific given within about 5 years, (and AGI=creativity along with it). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11 September 2013 03:38, Juan Carlos Kuri Pinto <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> The Neuroscience of Freedom and Creativity — Our Predictive Brain [Kindle >>>> Edition] Joaquín M. >>>> Fuster<http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8&field-author=Joaqu%C3%ADn%20M.%20Fuster&search-alias=digital-text&sort=relevancerank> >>>> (Author) >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/The-Neuroscience-Freedom-Creativity-ebook/dp/B00E99YL1M/ref=tmm_kin_title_popover >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>> >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23601136-e0982844> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23601136-e0982844> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
