Of all these, I think (4) is the only one that's reasonably likely to come about. Philosophy is an awful lot better at finding holes and hidden assumptions, than at finding solutions. Of course (4) in itself could be a fantastic, perhaps even critical value-added.
I love philosophy --- the list of philosophers whose works greatly influenced my thinking about AI and cognition would be very long ... Nietzsche, Peirce, Husserl, Dharmakirti, Dignaga, Huang Po, Leibniz, Baudrillard, Wittgenstein, Whitehead, Russell, Benjamin Whorf, Gregory Bateson, Bucky Fuller ... the list would go on and on.... Modern academic philosophy doesn't charm me so much, but David Chalmers, Galen Strawson and Nick Bostrom are definitely among those worth reading.... I think philosophy is great at raising issues, exposing assumptions, and inspiring thought in novel directions.... I just don't see it as being very valuable for definitively "solving problems" ... If philosophy is to have value in our collective attempt to navigate the Singularity, it's IMO more likely to be via inspiring the minds of the scientists who create scientific theories of AGI, in the period when we have early-stage AGIs to interact with and study, and hence have sufficient relevant empirical data to ground such theories... -- Ben On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Stuart Armstrong <[email protected]>wrote: > > > What I expect from formal "analytic philosophy" methods: > > 1) A useful decomposition of the issue into problems and subproblems (eg > AI goal stability, AI agency, reduced impact, correct physical models on > the universe, correct models of fuzzy human concepts such as human beings, > convergence or divergence of goals, etc...) > > 2) Full or partial solutions some of the subproblems, ideally of general > applicability (so they can be added easily to any AI design). > > 3) A good understanding of the remaining holes. > > and lastly: > > 4) Exposing the implicit assumptions in proposed (non-analytic) solutions > to the AI risk problem, so that the naive approaches can be discarded and > the better approaches improved. > > > > > > On 28 February 2014 16:06, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> See >> >> >> http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/02/28/saving-the-world-with-analytical-philosophy/ >> >> ;-) >> >> ... ben >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >> James T. Kirk >> > > > > -- > And the Raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting > On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; > And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming, > > __._,_.___ > Reply via web > post<https://groups.yahoo.com/group/lifeboatfoundation/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNDVraXFyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4Nzk1MDEyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzY2MwRtc2dJZAMxMDA0NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzOTM2MTE2NzA-?act=reply&messageNum=10046> > Reply > to sender > <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5Blifeboatfoundation%5D%20My%20consolidated%20comments%20on%20Stuart%20Armstrong%27s%20booklet%20%22Smarter%20Than%20You%20Think%22> > Reply > to group > <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5Blifeboatfoundation%5D%20My%20consolidated%20comments%20on%20Stuart%20Armstrong%27s%20booklet%20%22Smarter%20Than%20You%20Think%22> > Start > a New > Topic<https://groups.yahoo.com/group/lifeboatfoundation/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmODgwZzEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4Nzk1MDEyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzY2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzOTM2MTE2NzA-> > Messages > in this > topic<https://groups.yahoo.com/group/lifeboatfoundation/message/10044;_ylc=X3oDMTM3cnFnMGtuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4Nzk1MDEyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzY2MwRtc2dJZAMxMDA0NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzOTM2MTE2NzAEdHBjSWQDMTAwNDQ->(2) > Visit Your > Group<https://groups.yahoo.com/group/lifeboatfoundation;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb3QyZmFtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4Nzk1MDEyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzY2MwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzOTM2MTE2NzA-> > > - New > Members<https://groups.yahoo.com/group/lifeboatfoundation/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJncjhkZ2lrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE4Nzk1MDEyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzY2MwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzkzNjExNjcw?o=6> > 2 > > [image: Yahoo! > Groups]<https://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJla2UzOXVmBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE4Nzk1MDEyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzY2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM5MzYxMTY3MA--> > * Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> * > Unsubscribe<[email protected]?subject=Unsubscribe>* > Terms > of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> > . > > __,_._,___ > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. James T. Kirk ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
