quite peculiar this haptic exchange, since it does not seem related to the OP. Anyway, quite shocking the answer! Shall we expect colorblind, deaf people, or even paralyzed ones that have haptic and motoric difficulties not to exhibit human-like intelligence? And that coming from Ben who sees value in "amodal" mathematical AGI work. Well, from a robotics perspective it would be sad to miss on haptic input, however workarounds will be found after interaction with the real world (perhaps as poor categories as "fragile", "slippery" etc after failed attempts to hold on to water, eggs, smooth metal), and it will all be very much human-like. It is worth noting that I sympathize with the idea that the brain "evolved" to control the body rather than to write poetry, and in that context it has more evolutionary significance to move and position oneself correctly for the three Fs of biology, cooperate with others to kill animals/humans etc, and it is of a rather secondary significance to distinguish between leather and velvet, or whatever else haptic does for us. To rephrase, what makes us humanly intelligent is that we solve human space-time problems as we see and perceive them, rather than as we touch them.
AT On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > > Some kind of AGI can probably be created without haptic perception, but > not a human-like AGI ... > > I guess all existing biological neural nets, in the real world, have a lot > of common principles to their operation. Of course general mathematical > neural nets can be a lot more heterogeneous.. > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Bitoyak <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 1 . Ben do you think the creation of general intelligence is possible >>> with out dealing with haptic perception ? if yes why? >> >> 2. every living things with neural network is following any common >> law and many other law' associate with that main law for survive in this >> world ? or only association of many law's together with out having any main >> law? >> >> >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. > James T. Kirk > > "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free our > minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/14050631-7d925eb1> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
