Jim, There is a difference between criticisms that actually engage with the material being criticized, and those that simply express negativity/dismissal in general terms, almost "in principle" ...
The former I appreciate; the latter I find either amusing or annoying, depending on my mood... -- Ben G On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > Sometimes I think that 80% of the people on this list think that every > other AGI researcher besides themselves is a "laughingstock" ;-p .... > While this list does have its value, and a certain number of excellent > participants, I am very glad it is not representative of the overall > AGI research community ;) > > -- ben > > > But does that mean that you are .8 in the > I-think-everyone-else-is-a-laughingstock group and .2 in the other? > These meta-discussions are like pits of psychological projection. You can't > condemn 80% of the population of the group because your ideas are the target > of a few trivial and annoyingly vague criticisms without possibly coming > across as trivial and petty. Part of the basis of genuine research (which > includes the arm-chair stage if not the arm-chair crowd) involves criticism > of ideas and efforts. If you were able to assist the critics to help them > learn to express whatever it is that they are trying to express in more > insightful ways, you might gain a little more out of the process. > Jim Bromer > > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> The paper is called "Characterizing Human-Like Consciousness", and >> explicitly does not attempt to address the issue of "the structure of >> consciousness for minds in general" .... I suspect that the first >> practical AGIs created will be roughly human-like in their cognitive >> structures... >> >> Sometimes I think that 80% of the people on this list think that every >> other AGI researcher besides themselves is a "laughingstock" ;-p .... >> While this list does have its value, and a certain number of excellent >> participants, I am very glad it is not representative of the overall >> AGI research community ;) >> >> -- ben >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Anastasios Tsiolakidis >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Not to demote Ben to laughing stock, but certainly the silliness of >> > becoming an expert on consciousness by syncretizing academic theories on >> > consciousness is right up there with the ridiculousness of AIXI, >> > mathematical theories of life, God etc. >> > >> > Anyway, I don't have anything better to offer, except a reminder that we >> > can hardly measure consciousness in the organisms we are familiar with, >> > and, >> > if at some point we can "prove" that life is different from intelligence >> > and >> > intelligence is different from consciousness (all of which I highly doubt), >> > then it will most likely be like jazz: if it needs to be explained to you, >> > you will most likely never get it. I should close with my standard >> > disclaimer that, in the infinite set of (artificial) intellects there is a >> > tiny, negligible and probably undetectable subset of human-like intellects, >> > so the practicability of Ben's ruminations --> 0 - sorry again Ben! >> > >> > AT >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >> James T. Kirk >> >> "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free >> our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-f5817f28 >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. James T. Kirk "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery / None but ourselves can free our minds" -- Robert Nesta Marley ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
