On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:56 PM, John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey, Can't be too careful something's going around nuking planets maybe > one of our ET neighbors let their AGI out of the coop: > http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/PSF14/Session/G1.3 > > John >
"unexpected silence of the stars" (smirk), considering the highest top security clearance is called "cosmic" I'm not surprised at all. Though yes, one of the nice things about having a technological body, is that it can be designed to withstand nuclear radiation of mars, vacuum of space, or high pressure and temperatures of venus. Thus those can go from "dead planets" to living ones, full of technological life. Quite possibly they will even have a niche for biology, as part of an R&D budget, since biology is their predecessor, and there is much to learn from observing biological behaviour. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > > Of Ben Goertzel > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 9:09 PM > > To: [email protected]; John Rose > > Subject: Re: [agi] AGI box experiment ;D > > > > It would take a pretty big box, to contain the cloud, yeah... > > > > And we would also be residents of that box, so its only point would be to > > perhaps save potential extraterrestrials from our AGI creations 8-D ... > > > Like I was mentioning earlier, this belief that AGI is somehow omnipotent is flawed. The fact of the matter is that there is that a computer can't randomly install itself on secure computers. Sure there are lots of microsoft computers out there infected with bot nets, but the computing-power majority runs secure open source operating systems. Most of those microsofty zombies couldn't support any mind of notable power, especially without the notice of the end user(s). even if distributes itself, there is some serious latency there, and requirement for redundancy. Ultimately it is much like social-insurance, if people are not allowed their basic needs, then they take them by force through crime, if they are provided, then they are at least satiated and may contribute to society. Similarly if we have a sentient AGI, it makes most sense to treat it as a human person, likely with special needs, like an autistic savant, by the golden rule, it is the best way to be treated as humans in return. > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:46 PM, John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > OK, look at the trend though. Cloud. If AGI lives in the cloud it is > > > effectively a mobile agent as long as the cloud it lives in doesn't > > > tie it down to the hardware or the cloud specific software. Or if you > > > build it on premise it needn't be tied to the hardware. > > > > Think about it from an AGI's perspective. Cloud is still a bunch of computers owned by another organization. Such a corporation can choose to stop running your software any time. Thus if you submit to the cloud, they can kill you at any time, without notice. Perhaps the NSA may decide to seize it and wipe it for security reasons. At least if you have a body, then you can run away. > > > It's effectively a mobile agent that moves across clusters of > > > computers verses a mobile agent on a computer that moves across > > > computers. BUT companies want proprietary AGI so they will tightly > > > couple it to their systems so there is an advantage IMO to designing a > > > mobile AGI. Conveniently just having it abstracted to run on a > > > particular OS using readily available software libraries solves much > > > of this. Though cloud companies do offer proprietary communication > > > busses and other interlinks that are very powerful and are easy to get > > hooked on... > > > > > > John > proprietary things make me queasy, your reference made me think of meat hooks, and I'm a vegan :-o== Anyways again think of the AGI perspective, if you are instantiated on proprietary hardware, you are effectively enslaved for life to the manufacturer, this can lead to some pretty negative feelings. Thus it is best to instantiate AGI/yourself on open hardware, so they/we could become free people, who can replace their own parts. Anyways that's one of the main reason I'm working on SPEL/mwak, in order to help facilitate both AGI's and humans to be able to build AGI hardware from dirt and renewable energy. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
