Won't stop the diligent, however network effect will prohibit parallel developmentsince most people will follow the leader. Network effect = following the leader. ~PM
> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:17:26 -0800 > Subject: Re: [agi] The Top > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > On 1/5/15, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 1/4/15, Steve Richfield via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I was about to respond to Jim's latest thread regarding conceptual > >> structure, but then I realized that the reason everyone here is talking > >> at/past each other is that nearly everyone has a different idea as to > >> where > >> the "top" of this subject is located. First, some prospective examples: > >> > >> 1. Some believe that the "top" is an ability to acquire, store, access, > >> and act on information to provide a text-based interface. > >> 2. Some believe that the "top" is an ability to self-organize to form an > >> intelligent system. > >> 3. Some believe that since intelligence apparently evolved from a > >> primitive process control system, that paralleling this development might > >> start with a better understanding of self-organizing process control > >> systems. > >> 4. Some believe that in the process of learning how to do MUCH better > >> compression, that we will learn how to self-organize the process of > >> processing intelligent communications. > >> 5. There are almost as many of these as there are members on this forum. > >> I > >> could easily attach names (including my own) to the above, but I prefer > >> to > >> avoid having this devolve into an argument as to exactly what the various > >> members believe. > >> > >> OK, so just WHERE IS the real "top"? Can a system be considered to be > >> "intelligent" without being self-organizing? Can an approach be > >> considered > >> to be valid without being extensible to ALL of our functions? > >> > >> Myself, I think self-organization is essential, and if a system can't > >> even > >> self-organize to perform simplistic process control, e.g. like a hydra, > >> then what hope is there to ever be "intelligent" (#3 above)? However, I > >> seem to be alone in this view, yet I can't fathom how others ever expect > >> success without these basics. > >> > >> I would be interested in seeing crafted replacements or additions to my > >> above descriptions of various views of the "top", that embody SOME > >> reasonable rationale as to how they might lead to AGI success. > >> > >> Can anyone shine light in this very dark corner? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Steve. > >> > >> > > > > The start is usually some kind of gut feeling or intution. That leads > > to one of the approaches or other you've got listed, and more. The > > whole problem is how to work out your initial gut feeling and > > rigourously develop it. Without a working AGI it's impossible to know > > which is the correct approach, and also more than one approach is > > possible, different means leading to the same ends: intelligence. > > But, I think there is no "answer" to the problem, since a judgement is > > inherently subjective. So even if somebody does come up with a > > working AGI, it should stop others from working on competing methods, > > since the judgements of different systems will naturally vary. > > Mike A > > > > should read "NOT stop others..." > > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------- > >> AGI > >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> RSS Feed: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > >> Modify Your Subscription: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
