Job title isn't the same thing as being a #realdeal engineer. Notice, a P.E. license isn't really required for manufacturing but it is required if you are building a bridge. QED, this is the nature of my argument.
How often does the SEC prosecute someone for an ethics violation? Kinda important. -GJS On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually, there are Financial Engineers. That is a job title. > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 09:37:33 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [agi] AGI as adaptive control > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Yo Piaget, > > I'm paranoid. So sue me. Maybe it is time to get a little more paranoid. > > I still remain unconvinced that robotic microtransactions are a good > thing, mkay? > > These finance guys are not engineers, not a man jack or jill of them has a > P.E. license while working for JP Morgan Chase or Wells Fargo or whoever. > This is like saying, "sure, go ahead and practice taking random bolts and > bricks out of the Brooklyn Bridge, if anything goes wrong, we're sure it > won't be a big deal." > > WTF? What first world civilization freaking thinks like this? STOOOOPID! > > *Greed is bad*. Do we really need to burn down our entire house in order > to figure this out and keep a bunch of Ivy League nitwits in stock > dividends and Mercedes? > > *drops the mic* I'm out. > > -GJS > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Your funds are already being managed by software programs. > > AI programs is just a few deployments down the road; that is, if they're > not already > trading securities with neural nets, or case based reasoning data, or > fuzzy logic, or > rule based systems. > > Nothing new there. > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 21:18:57 -0500 > Subject: Re: [agi] AGI as adaptive control > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Also, I think the idea of turning funds over to AI managed software is a > little scary. In the event of some major market shaking event, what ethics > of opportunity topology shuts down the bots, rather than them seeing it as > just another arbitrage opportunity? I don't see many good ways for the SEC > to punish a rogue algorithm. > > At the least, the Enron traders and their bosses eventually got their > asses kicked by the legal profession even if it was a day late and a dollar > short. We had similar nonsense go off when the mortgage meltdown turned a > bunch of sophisticated mathematical candy floss into a smoking crater in > the ground (Thank you Congress and a bunch of over-educated Ivy League > kids). > > Hey, what the hell do I know, I'm just a metallurgist and inventor and > occasional consultant and.. nevermind. > > I just worry.. failure analysts are good at anxiety and paranoia. > > -GJS > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Greg Staskowski <[email protected]> > wrote: > > All right! #HAJIME! #ITSON! I like seeing the hardware vs. software > argument presented very rationally and point by point in terms of the > adaptive control systems paradigm (ecch, I know I couldn't think of a less > overused word). > > I come down on the side of hardware for this stuff and what I really want > to understand is the quantum biophysics of the brain. If we are really > going for "the whole enchilada" that is "embodied or unembodied reasoning, > Turing or non-Turing, consciousness" rather than "just another algorithm, > JA^2" I think this thing has to start from the hardware or wetware up and > that means we need to really understand the quantum biophysics of a living, > functioning human or whale brain. Hey, good luck getting the funding for > whale brains of course. > > This is a "non trivial" problem. Now Wolfram et al seems to think this > whole deal starts down at the level of cellular automata but don't quote me > on that because d00d is kinda a Genius at this stuff. I tend to come out > more on the side of ethics and applications especially in terms of > diversified system operators, the IOT (Internet of things) and agents for > selection of what I call "opportunity topology." If we want to start > experimenting with silicon though, Northwestern has a NuFab facility where > you can work out new silicon at what are basically bargain rates. Check it > out. I think this stuff is way too complex to simulate and the only way to > get there is Wright Brothers style. Iterate, re-design, Iterate, re-design > till you run out of money of course. > > That is my opinion, I could be wrong. > > -GJS > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Stefan Pernar <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The page limit apparently applies to publication the proceedings. > > A fair bit of bible references for sure. Have a read. Really appreciate > every pair of eyes that goes over it. > On 05/05/2015 9:04 AM, "Anastasios Tsiolakidis" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Stefan Pernar <[email protected]> > wrote: > > My paper building on the subject has been accepted for presentation at the > AGI Congerence Ben organizes in July in Berlin: > http://rationalmorality.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/TranshumanPhilosophy_formatted.pdf > > > > Isn't this a bit too long, considering the 10 page limit? Do I detect a > certain Judaism in the text? Surely will go down with Ben better than my > Christian references lol. > > AT > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/3869219-6583aa40> | Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27055757-c218d4f9> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27055757-c218d4f9> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27055757-c218d4f9> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
