Ok, email is wonderful for archival purposes, we need a more real time method of communication.
On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> wrote: > The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address > [email protected]. Ask him how much he wants for the domain. > > We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once the > organization gets going. > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I didn't buy igi.org >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for sale >>> when I visit it. Did someone buy it already? >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Logan, >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote: >>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs. >>>>> > >>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is irrelevant. I >>>>> am not pushing my own at all. >>>>> > >>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. Wrong on >>>>> both counts. >>>>> > >>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that NC-AGI >>>>> important, neglected and needs a champion. >>>>> >>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion. >>>>> Why is it important? >>>>> >>>>> Because it's never been done. >>>> >>>> >>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now, >>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value. >>>>> >>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or >>>>> technology is biology. so what you are really talking about >>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of >>>>> brain-cells to a computer. >>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games. >>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers. >>>>> >>>> >>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological material or >>>> make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. Mine is totally >>>> inorganic. >>>> >>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, it has >>>> not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. Pure wet >>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This >>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more interested in >>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it clashes >>>> with my own vision of it. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my approach >>>>> aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little that is is >>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread. >>>>> >>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach? >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one >>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do. >>>>> >>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical >>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they >>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see generativity. >>>> It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It has an organic and an >>>> inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI. >>>> >>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that is >>>> needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know can be hard to >>>> see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a long time, >>>> one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner explanation: >>>> >>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is identified and >>>> included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by actually replicating the >>>> physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and including that physics on >>>> the substrate then and testing its performance against alternatives that >>>> lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or model it, replacing it with >>>> the physics of the instantiation of the model, whatever that might be).* >>>> >>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified candidate >>>> 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That physics may be the >>>> crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. If so, then all >>>> activity that did not include that essential physics was actually destined >>>> to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job to sort out. The >>>> IGI, if it existed, would do that. >>>> >>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. The H-AGI >>>> inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, the H-AGI organic >>>> version another. Both of these will contrast with the C-AGI risk landscape. >>>> In what ways? I dunno! 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