Dorian, I am reading your arxiv paper and, based on your 'towards H-AGI' outline (below) I am going to develop an outline for a paper that includes your biological H-AGI approach, a Colin-inorganic H-AGI approach and a Colin-inorganic S-AGI approach. Potential IGI investors will get a sense of agnosticism about approach details while appreciating the general distinction between what has come before and the expansion of directions that H/S-AGI presents.
Note: As the paper develops, if anyone else thinks they have another approach that might broaden the readership's understanding, please advise! Even if it's just a bullet point overview it could add to the spectrum of approaches. I am intending to generate a suggested outline for the whole paper. So that we have some structure. I am fitting it in around a multitude of distracting personal activities, so please give me 24 hours to get it through. regards Colin On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 4:40 AM, Dorian Aur <[email protected]> wrote: > *Colin et al,* > > > A possible plan for H-AGI towards S-AGI paper > > > > *Hybrid artificial general intelligent systems towards S-AGI* > > > > > > *Introduction* – a short presentation of AI systems and general goal to > build human general intelligence > > > > Why H-AGI? > > - Present different forms of computation , ( particular forms of > computation analog, digital -Turing machines ) > - Computations in the brain (examples of computations that are hardly > replicated on digital computers) > - H-AGI can include all forms of computations, algorithmic / > non-algorithmic, analog, digital,* quantum and classical *since > biological structure is incorporated in the system > > > > *Steps to develop H-AGI* > > > > - A. Build the structure using either natural stem cells or induced > pluripotent cells a three-dimensional vascularized structure, test 3D > printing possibilities > - Shape the structure and control spatial organization of cells > - Detect the need of neurotrophic factors, nutrients and oxygen ...use > nanosensor devices, carbon nanotubes... > - Regulate, control the entire phenomenon using a computer interface, > ability to use combine analog/digital and biophysical computations > > B. Train the hybrid system > > - Enhance bidirectional communication between biological structure and > computers > - Create and use a virtual world to provide accelerated training, use > machine learning, DL, digital/algorithmic AI or AGI if something is > developed on digital systems > - The interactive training system should also shape the evolution of > biological structure, natural language and visual information can be > progressively included > > see details in Can we build a conscious machine, > http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.5224 > > > *Goals of H-AGI* > > H-AGI can be seen as a transitional step required to understand which > parts can be fully replicated in a synthetic form to build a more powerful > system, > > · Natural language processing, robotics... > > · Space exploration, colonization..... etc > > · Techniques for therapy (brain diseases, cancer ....) since we > will learn how to shape biological structure > > > > > Dorian > > > PS This brief presentation may also provide an idea about possible > collaboration list 1- list 3 > > > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > A summary ....we are looking at the idea that there are 2 fundamental >> kinds >> > of putative AGI (1) & (3), and their hybrid (2) that forms a third >> approach >> > as follows: >> > >> > (1) C-AGI computer substrate only. Neuromorphic equivalents of it. >> > (2) H-AGI hybrid of (1) and (3). The inorganic version is a new >> kind >> > of neuromorphic chip. The organic version has ... erm... organics in it. >> > (3) S-AGI synthetic AGI. organic or inorganic. Natural brain >> physics >> > only. No computer. >> > >> > (aside: S-AGI just came out of my fingers. I hope this is OK, Dorian!) >> > >> >> This is a cool idea, somewhat mind boggling in its possibilities. >> Cool though! >> >> Personally I would favor something more like "EM-AGI" for >> electromagnetic AGI. I mean, I don't understand the details of the >> approach, only the generalities. But, "S" seems a bit vague/ambiguous >> while EM hits it more or less on target IMHO. >> >> MIke A >> >> >> > Think this way: What we have now is 100% computer. S-AGI is 100% natural >> > physics (organic or inorganic). H-AGI is set somewhere in between. It's >> > the level of computer computation/natural computation that is at issue. >> All >> > are computation. >> > >> > The human brain is a natural version of (3) with a neuronal/astrocyte >> > substrate. (3) has no computer whatever in it. it retains all the >> natural >> > physics (whatever that is). H-AGI targets the inclusion of the essential >> > natural brain physics in the substrate of (2) and to incorporate (1) >> > computer-substrates and software to an extent to be determined. In my >> case >> > an H-AGI would be inorganic. Others see differently. >> > >> > Where you might have a stake in this? >> > >> > The history of AGI can be summed up as an experiment that seeks to see >> if >> > the role of (1) C-AGI as a brain is fundamentally indistinguishable from >> > (3) S-AGI under all conditions. That is the hypothesis. The 65 year old >> bet >> > that has attracted 100% of the investment to date. H-AGI does not make >> that >> > presupposition and seeks to contrast (1) and (3) in revealing ways that >> > then allow us to speak authoritatively about the (1)/(3) relationship in >> > AGI potential. Only then will we really understand the difference >> between >> > (1) and (3). So far that difference is entirely and intuition. A good >> one. >> > But only intuition. Its time for that intuition to be turned into >> science. >> > Experiments in (1) have ruled to date. Now we seek to do some (2)... >> E.E. >> > we have 65 years of 'control' subject. H-AGI builds the first 'test' >> > subject. >> > >> > How about this? >> > >> > What would be super cool is if this mighty AGI beast you intend making >> > could be turned into the brain of a robot. Then we could contrast what >> it >> > does with what an IGI candidate brain does in an identical robot in the >> > same test. That kind of testing vision (as far off as it may seem) is a >> > potential way your work and the IGI might interface. Which candidate >> robot >> > best encounters radical novelty, without any human >> intervention/involvement >> > whatever? .... is a really good question. To do this test you'd not >> need to >> > reveal anything about its workings. Observed robot behaviour is >> decisive. >> > >> > It seems to me that whatever venture you plan, it might be wise to keep >> an >> > eye on any (2)/(3) approaches. IGI or not. Because it is directly >> informing >> > expectations of outcomes in (1). We are currently asking the question >> "*If >> > H-AGI were to be championed into existence, what would the first vehicle >> > for that look like?*" If the enthusiasm maintains it will be sketched >> into >> > a web page and we'll see what it tells us and what to do next. It may >> halt. >> > It may go. I don't know. Worth a shot? You bet. >> > >> > With your (1) C-AGI glasses firmly strapped to your head, your wisdom at >> > all stages in this would be well received, whatever the messages. So if >> you >> > have time to keep an eye on happenings, I for one would appreciate it. >> > >> > regards >> > >> > Colin Hales >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks for asking. Haven’t followed the IGI discussions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this about non-computer based approaches to AGI? If so, I don’t >> think >> >> I have anything positive to contribute. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> More generally, non-profit orgs need strong focus and champions. And >> >> specific goals. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Benjamin Kapp [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 12:23 PM >> >> *To:* AGI >> >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr. Voss, >> >> >> >> Given your understanding of the AGI community do you believe an IGI >> would >> >> be redundant? Would your organization be open to collaborating with >> the >> >> IGI? Do you have any advice for how we could be successful in starting >> >> up >> >> this organization? Perhaps you would be open to being a member of the >> >> board? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Not something that can be adequately covered in a few words, but…. >> “We’re >> >> building a fully integrated, top-down & bottom-up, real-time, adaptive >> >> knowledge (& skill) representation, learning and reasoning engine. >> We’re >> >> using a combination of graph representation and NN techniques overlaid >> >> with >> >> fuzzy, adaptive rule systems” – ha! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Here again are links for some clues: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kurzweilai.net/essentials-of-general-intelligence-the-direct-path-to-agi >> >> >> >> http://www.realagi.com/index.html >> >> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/RealAGI/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Benjamin Kapp [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr. Voss, >> >> >> >> Since you are the founder I'm certain you know what agi-3's methodology >> >> is. In a few words (maybe more?) could you share with us what that is? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> *>*http://www.agi-3.com They just glue together anything and >> everything >> >> that works. >> >> >> >> Actually, no. 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