Thank you for this interesting debate. You have both managed to answer a key question on illusion I have really been battling away with. Maybe consciousness is simply being aware enough to know what is happening inside and outside the mind and in between the two, relative realities.
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 12:54:33 -0400 > Subject: Re: [agi] Re: At last, an intuitive, explanatory, scientific theory > of consciousness > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:18 PM, EdFromNH . <[email protected]> wrote: > > With regard to your statement that consciousness does not require any new > > physics, I agree, which you would know if you have read my initial post in > > this thread. But as of the 2014 Toward a Science of Consciousness > > conference, most of the leaders in the field of conscious theory had no > > satisfactory explanation for our conscious awareness, and had said as much. > > Can you explain how parts of this image appear to rotate? > http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/mot-snakes/index.html > > I mean, it is perfectly obvious that it does, but only the parts you > are not looking at directly, and only when you shift your gaze from > one part of the image to another. > > Maybe it is an animation. The camera in your laptop must be tracking > your eye movements, so it knows when and where to make the image move. > But then you print the image on a piece of paper and it still moves. > How is that possible? > > Maybe there is a fundamental property of the universe that makes > certain images move like this, sort of like panpsychism or dualism, > that is not detectable by any instrument other than your own mind. But > that's OK. We don't need to test it. We can just accept it as an > axiom. > > Or maybe your brain can play tricks on you. Maybe the cells in your > retina have different response times to red and blue light, so that > when you shift your gaze they activate the neurons in your peripheral > vision that respond to movement. > > But you reject the second explanation. I mean, it is perfectly obvious > that the world must be exactly like you perceive it. > > > -- > -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26941503-0abb15dc > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
