I have not really gotten past the coding problem either. If I could work 10 hour days then that would not be a problem. However, I am not sure why you would disagree with the theory that AGI is a complexity problem. Yes the rules could come from anywhere but you mention that as if the integration of a rule would be easy to recognize and easy to integrate in previously acquired knowledge. If that were so then we would not have a coding problem to overcome - we could readily demonstrate how easy it is with limited problems and making our code more sophisticated would be more like an ordinary programming project. We start off with something simple and then just try to make it better. Do you disagree with this? Do you think that finding and incorporating new information which would allow the program to know what it should do with the rules it had collected would be easy? I don't understand that point of view. Jim Bromer
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Stanley Nilsen <[email protected]> wrote: > On 12/02/2015 08:45 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: >> >> ... >> Once you >> begin analyzing a statement that is important to you the >> discontinuities of the implied expectations can really jump out. That >> is an example of logic but it is not an example of Boolean Logic but >> of applied logic, the application of logic to a situation in which the >> possibilities belong to categories that can stand out in stark relief. >> Even if the possibilities (of the expectations) are not logically >> rigid, logical systems can still be formed to explore the >> possibilities. >> Jim Bromer >> >> > Sounds like the description of applied logic is very much like the "frames" > approach that Minsky discusses in his book Society of the Mind. In essence > you have expectations / rules that are appropriate for the situation and use > those rules to help with discernment. The "story lines" act more like > triggers that are matched up to the frame knowledge that you already have. > > As I understand it, character recognition has improved because the "frame" > for where words belong has improved - there are rules that increase the > likelihood that a character will be one of ... > I've not looked at the code, or the technology, but seems like this has been > discussed before on this list. Would have been interesting work to be > involved in OCR over the years. > > Frames brings up the point that I wanted to make about "adoption." One > invests time and uses resources to build frames - become knowledgeable. It > isn't that you have to invent the rules, you just need to recognize them and > incorporate them. Rules could come from several sources including a > question and answer session with a knowledgeable person. I believe that the > intelligence is not in what you know, but that you know enough to seek out a > source, inquire in the right way and then know what to do with the rules > that you collect. One issue with AGI is finding the best way to format the > collection so it can be used in an interesting way. Another issue is getting > started in the right direction - going for frames that can help build other > frames. > > The show stopper for me is that there is a bunch of coding to be done and > the progress will be slow. > Stan > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
