Ben, Thanks for your comments. I would like to read the book by Ohlsson but I am not a great reader and I have 5 books going right now,
Jim Bromer On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Deep learning has a specific meaning, being a variety of hierarchical > pattern recognition, and the Watson version that played Jeopardy did not > manifest deep learning ... > > See Stellan Ohlsson's book "Deep Learning" for a cognitive science > treatment of deep learning that is not tied to neural nets or any other > particular implementation... > > > http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/psychology/cognition/deep-learning-how-mind-overrides-experience > > -- Ben G > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Even though Watson-Jeopardy did not use Neural Networks or something >> that was intuitively similar to them, I believe it was an example of >> deep learning. But the question that many of us are more interested in >> is was it an example of Narrow AI? My first response is that it is not >> because it can be applied to such a wide range of problems (even out >> of the box-or out of the virtual box). So then, why isn't it AGI? Why >> can't it think outside the box? Why does it not demonstrate the traits >> of what I call semi-strong AI? This question bothered me but I think I >> finally have figured it out. >> >> Part of the answer is that it (probably) is not very good at what I >> call Conceptual Integration. But that does not really answer the >> question adequately. >> >> I think they were able to eliminate the Frame Problem because the >> Jeopardy system was explicitly designed for Q&A. The relevancy problem >> (a form of the frame problem) occurs because most questions can lead >> to a combinatorial explosion of possibilities. But by focusing on >> specific kinds of questions which have distinctive characteristics >> they could eliminate many kinds of open ended questions. >> >> For example, is it likely that I will create an actual AI program >> (that does something novel) or is it unlikely? Right now I can't >> answer that question. Not only is an open ended question but it is >> also a question which does not have a well-defined answer path. >> However, I could make long arguments supporting either possibility. I >> think I noted this a few years ago but a Jeopardy question has to have >> a historical, encyclopedic or journalistic entry to support it. When >> you look at Watson's second choices to its questions many of them >> seemed to be surprisingly irrelevant. >> >> But the Q&A frame really does not narrow the question about why it >> worked sufficiently. Extensive knowledge about NLP, both from earlier >> sources and derived by the analysis of text is also necessary. >> >> So I think that Watson is not Narrow AI but its success depended on >> its application to narrow kinds of problems. >> >> This analysis may be superficial but it gives me some insight about >> what I want to work on. I will probably end up developing a semi-AI >> program that can endlessly ruminate on my thoughts about some subject. >> Jim Bromer >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress > depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
