Sorry, had to change the thread title as now getting a teeny bit off topic I
think.
Camel (presumably),
It depends how you define 'personal attacks', I suppose.
I take it to mean that the person who feels they are the subject of a 'personal
attack' has been criticised in terms of their worth in some judgmental scale.
I am not actually saying you are a bad person or anything.
I'm not trying to be 'offensive' (c.f. previous post), and have no idea of you
apart from your statements, but I'm fine with criticising what you say.
Nevertheless I'm pretty sure you're lovely. That's my default position with
anyone (why wouldn't it be).
I am most definitely criticising the statements you have made without
(apparently) any external influence, however.
So they are _your_ statements. So of course it is 'personal'. And I am
'attacking' them.
So what?
All I wanted
to do is to point out that AGI will not ignore one of the most
fundamental truths about our existence just because 7,9 of 8 billion
people ignore it ... no matter what Bostrom, Yudkowsky, etc. do or say.
Repeating that some whacky ideas are 'fundamental truths' doesn't make them so,
as the organised religions of the world have found out over the last few
hundred years.
Just by looking at the behavior of a random person and a Zen master it
should be clear that a different understanding of reality results in a
VERY different behavior.
I'm sure you are correct and I believe I addressed in my last post possible,
more plausible explanations, why this could be true.
Again: This has nothing to do with Buddhism ...
Although apparently stems from that belief system.
just like Ohm's law has nothing to do with philosophy ...
A point of agreement!
Expecting AGI to ignore wisdom
Wisdom? Hypothesis, I would say. Show me the evidence. What objective
difference does it make or predict and how can we test that? Why aren't we
unable to get to the bar in a reasonable club because of the overwhelming
preponderance of Zen Masters getting in the way seems to be proof of a sort
that this isn't something that is changing the world.
that has been out there for 3000 years is just ridiculous.
Yes, it is old. Old ideas come from societies that knew, effectively, nothing. Just
because there still exist people who choose to believe an old idea doesn't make it
wisdom. Longevity is not the test of a theory and nor is popularity. Just look at the
creationist nutters. What is the evidence? What are the predictions? If there isn't
objective evidence then it is just a nice story and it isn't useful to describe reality
in terms that we can objectively determine and hence choose one theory over another and
learn about how things work. If there is a competing theory and there are no tangible
predictions to say "choose me!" compared to the other then it is pointless
navel-gazing and it loses over the simpler explanation. That is enough.
Thanks,
Colin.
On Mar 16, 2016, at 09:59 AM, justcamel <[email protected]> wrote:
You weren't arguing you were engaging in personal attacks.
I am not a member of any group, religion and/or movement. All I wanted
to do is to point out that AGI will not ignore one of the most
fundamental truths about our existence just because 7,9 of 8 billion
people ignore it ... no matter what Bostrom, Yudkowsky, etc. do or say.
Just by looking at the behavior of a random person and a Zen master it
should be clear that a different understanding of reality results in a
VERY different behavior. Again: This has nothing to do with Buddhism ...
just like Ohm's law has nothing to do with philosophy ... it's about a
logical and game changing realization. Expecting AGI to ignore wisdom
that has been out there for 3000 years is just ridiculous.
On 15.03.2016 23:40, Colin Parr wrote:
So, if anything, what I find hateful is this 'random culturally-accepted belief system' (had to
insert the hyphen, sorry) that says people's beliefs ought to be given respect automatically, and
the whackier the belief the more respect they should get. Bullshit! You say something whacky and
I'll call "bullshit!". I expect the same in return. If everyone I am with at a party says
"STFU Colin, you're talking nonsense" (no, really, you'd be surprised - it has happened
more than once!) then I tend to get the message and, sometimes, even go as far as changing my
opinion!
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