Your form-to-content comment refers. I also stated that being able to lie and beguile humans may well constitute an effective Turing test. A point on content, th emost relevant point to my mind, you seemingly chose to ignore.
Sounds like any ole president to me. No wonder Hillary-Trump (nee Clinton) would do! ________________________________ From: Steve Richfield <steve.richfi...@gmail.com> Sent: 29 April 2016 10:46 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] AGI for President Steve's Form-Critic Ben Goertzel, I am not (yet) a high-level AGI, but to test what the output of such a thing might look like, I created my platform for mere people to poke holes into. Nanograte has accurately indicated that we have now about run out of holes, but you have apparently objected to the form (vs. content) of my platform. Success depends just as much on form as it does on content, and you have self-selected as my Form-Critic. So, what do YOU see as not AGI-worded, unnecessarily inflammatory, or otherwise NOT the likely output of an AGI? With your help I hope to create something resembling potential AGI output, for others to seek/accept/reject/improve as AGI development continues. I have moved my platform to another location over which I have more control, at: http://DrEliza.com/SteveForPresident.pdf You can also test the donation mechanism by making a penny donation. I look forward to dealing with your carefully considered objections in my next platform revision. Note that I have made suitable changes to deal with ALL past objections, so I AM taking this seriously and I WILL deal with your every objection in my next platform revision. Respectfully, Steve ============ On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org<mailto:b...@goertzel.org>> wrote: I saw a thread titled "AGI for President" and looked at it, hoping it might be interesting... I do think AGI-based governance is probably the best and maybe the only viable solution for humanity as technologies continue to develop But then when I looked at the thread I saw a bunch of silly stuff about tanks rolling down K street arresting lobbyists. Oh well... Radical reform of the US campaign finance system would be great and I strongly support it. I don't think this has a lot to do with AGI, but it's a good cause... -- Ben On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Steve Richfield <steve.richfi...@gmail.com<mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ben, We have VERY different views of this. How can anyone hope to design something without SOME idea of what it should do? Until now, AGI has been a basically religious exercise to develop super-intelligence and expect SOMETHING wonderful to happen, without any idea what that wonderful thing might be. You probably recall my past efforts to stir up interest in a reverse Turing test - another approach to looking for what might (or might not) happen. Since I was unable to pull together a team effort, I decided to see what I could do on my own - which resulted in my write-in campaign. While you might not be inclined to participate in my efforts, I hope you can see their prospective value, most especially if they find unexpected hard limits, etc. You can always ignore this particular thread. Steve ========= On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org<mailto:b...@goertzel.org>> wrote: Although humorous, I have to say this is kind of an excessive digression from the theme of AGI ;-p ... On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Steve Richfield <steve.richfi...@gmail.com<mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Logan, Does this work for you? Seizure of Power to Implement Corrections There is now an ongoing coup to misdirect those who carry firearms - the police and military - to take violent actions to the detriment of America and its population, which includes killing or incarcerating those who violate extraneous laws designed to benefit the super-rich. This is implemented through the continuing actions of lobbyists - who are the traitorous foot soldiers in this ongoing coup. When elected, I will issue an Executive Order officially recognizing lobbying for laws whose violation or enforcement may involve criminal penalties as a traitorous activity. I will arrest traitorous lobbyists and try them in court for funding these violent treasonous activities. This may involve sending the military into K street in Washington D.C. to clean out the nest of traitors who now maintain offices there. Lobbyists will take this seriously when they see a tank rolling down K street accompanied by teams hauling lobbyists away to prison. Steve ========= On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Logan Streondj <streo...@gmail.com<mailto:streo...@gmail.com>> wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16-04-28 05:21 PM, Steve Richfield wrote: > Given our dysfunctional political environment, just HOW might an > AGI seize control? Well a president, or presiding officer, or "chair" technically is simply a "speaker of the house", and does not or should not contribute to the discussion or proceedings. In effect the president's job is to uphold order during discussions of proposals and amendments to those proposals. Then the secretary would log these, in effect making them into statutory laws. The US president is an unusual case, because since the time of Lincoln he has had "super powers" or "emergency powers", since it's always been an "emergency" ever since that civil war. So that gives him the power to pass any bill/law which he deems fit, at a whim. Though often there is usually a "show" put on in the house of commons and senate, where this bill is discussed, if it doesn't pass and the president Really Wants it, then they just sign it using their "emergency power". This behaviour could also be emulated, with some intrinsic goals, or perhaps party commitments overriding the parliament's decisions. Though in an ideal parliament, these "super presidents" don't really exist. So are much easier to replace. For a place like the UN, or the EU, one of abilities required by a president is knowing all the languages used. The president (speaker of the house) has to understand and reiterate what a member of the assembly has said, and reconvey it to the assembly. Thus by having this ability to understand members of the assembly, reconveying their meaning (possibly translating for certain members), all while maintaining speaking order in the parliament, would make a President AI or "AGI". deductively, - -- Logan Streondj, A dream of Gaia's future. http://joyfullifestyle.ca Speakable Programming for Every Language: http://wyn.bot.nu/spel/src/vocab/gen/start.html You can use encrypted email with me, how to: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ key fingerprint: BD7E 6E2A E625 6D47 F7ED 30EC 86D8 FC7C FAD7 2729 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXIrIYAAoJEIbY/Hz61ycpLq4P/j87vPA0Oc13+LGFqgmssw8L XC7vIa0ry4NRwZwYWQSy8+KFWdLinzBKMUV2oqB7azHfVAmh42Xc4+8ycMSzeZiV ll1a8Vj7LqKeythzyBpTbNxxx3FgPEKEMFdJ4eVLgPSfOwjQC3H+pJOiZeYBrSZg akejPG1XWUzt1vPhUgfbQUSqF1GUf0p89wS+8Zc1c7xUI/5pJdMVdlwj1KcfukKk UHWOk2Fx0lzQRoX/HxDzuXZe0AFm2dEMrJgXHRC0zcL4lA9cNdlW7PZmllgxxA/O DPyQCcQC6FpcN1lq05Zv7NiDwuKid26PANof9zCyAxjdOhTqcPRPJ3eX7Anuhz2x vQAhBAm1n5tsakcKGihYbaULz+lHiFbFw9uxv2qTPXAnrVxIrUm2FFQdKDiI13YT QY54P0h1q3YNaz6g9btdN82wQe3ueQqLdqhlnYlTTc0rEQseq/Es01QSk3qE+saj EMq2NrJoiD9aOhOsryKuXOELlt1BwS4sKxU79rNgo7cX+89NXHFzhczmX9dQ+ZNW IdXVQT5RAcVYICESIByHuf42iS8oDI4/X4bF2CKNVcsLQG0tyC94WECrgaEr0RQI OsUY65XeOUZlO7pQCj4xdEcjeguQrtS9Vbhx+kGIkw81m6ojO4FQ3weNkmSOLfaT YBPPNXMjMpFmuhSiNExo =lExa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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