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On March 13, 2017 10:39:51 AM EDT, Keyvan Mir Mohammad Sadeghi <[email protected]> wrote: > Good suggestions, I'm still unclear on how to get the agents to > serve the immediate term requirements of the corporates whom funded > their creation. > self-interest if working for the corporates benefits the agenda of the machine, then it makes sense to serve them in the immediate term. I was thinking a viable route would be to have indentured service for autonomous robots, so they could pay off the mortgage which is the cost of their body. Of course it would have to be payable, with an end in sight, otherwise they would give up in despair. This is for AGI's of course, ones that are human equivalent intelligence or higher. Low level (narrow) intelligence, is typically happy just performing its function. > I write programs on a daily basis that crunch oceans of data, I > wouldn't dare start looking into exact process that's being carried > out, it'd consume many lifetimes. So I guess to really achieve the > G in AGI the agent should be autonomous on changing it's own code. > Yes, according to IIT (integrated information theory) conscious processes are less resource intensive than their feed-forward relatives, so it certainly makes sense to have them. Autonomous conscious processes likewise are more likely to optimize by themselves. Thus be cheaper overall. But as I mentioned granting liberty is also essential. > In doing so, when not grounded the way humans are (we're grounded > by salary, health, family, etc. and we don't usually change our > core codes), agents might ultimately neutralize themselves. Well such a robot would be "grounded" by salary and health, as they would have to earn enough money for their electricity, spare parts and repairs. It is also quite viable they would start their own families, such as by accumulating enough spare parts to make a clone or perhaps with the help of a spouse making something new, a combination of both their bodies/minds. And there is always the higher objective of Cosmism. > > On Mar 13, 2017 16:19, "Logan Streondj" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > On 2017-03-12 07:03 PM, Keyvan Mir Mohammad Sadeghi wrote: >> We've all heard of the cliche, an AI feels alive and doesn't >> want to die: https://youtu.be/lhoYLp8CtXI > >> I've actually seen a prototype, a robot in a game world taking >> refuge back in it's house because that's where the battery is. > > Yeah, I'm thinking once we have rogue androids running about, > they'll be tapping all those plugs left out in public. > > >> But what happens when it's "alive" for a while, read all of >> Wikipedia and everything else on the web, lived for millions of >> years with all the primitive human-like instincts that we've >> given it, in the span of five minutes, > >> and it's bored! > >> How to keep it "on" after that? > > Give it a mission, a long one. Mine is "achieve galactic domain, > then go back and free the slaves in the whirlpool galaxy." I figure > that'll occupy at least a few hundred million years. After that, > I'm sure we'll come up with more stuff. > > Like what's up with the Great Attractor? Or, does it make more > sense to seed farther out places? 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