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On 2017-03-18 02:08 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > Generally speaking I find most of your methodology and approach > agreeable... > > In your intro, you do sorta underestimate the diversity of the AGI > R&D community, and also of the (overlapping) symbolic systems and > cognitive modeling community... which gives the reader your > approach is more unique than it is. But, whatever.... As a record > of your own approach and thinking, it's fine... > > I would say the general approach you're advocating, at a high > level, is not that far from the one I've followed.... I had a > period of "thinking about how the AGI should work" in the 90s, then > a period of building stuff in the late 90s and early aughts, then a > period of slowly building stuff while mostly thinking about how it > should work and designing from 2002 thru 2008 .. and recently more > building again.... I agree that jumping too fast into > implementing ideas that aren't fully baked can lead to pathologies > -- though it can ALSO be a very valuable way of helping one get > one's ideas refined... yeah making time for it can be difficult. I have to have bots answering my business phone and reading to my children, so I can free up some minutes for programming. > > Chapter 3 of "Engineering General Intelligence, Vol. 1" describes a > thought experiment regarding how one would make the > OpenCog/CogPrime architecture carry out the task "Build me > something I haven't seen before." In that chapter it's a sketch, > and then in subsequent chapters (largely in Vol. 2) more and more > particulars are filled in... > > Once you get past the stage of figuring out how your AGI > architecture *would* carry out human-like cognition if it were > implemented, then you face the fact that implementing such a thing > is a very large job -- too big for one person to do in a feasible > amount of time ... and then you face the fact that it's extremely > hard to get any person or organization who controls a lot of > resources to put sufficient funds behind an R&D project of this > nature.... So then what? My choice has been to start > implementing anyway, but following a path so that the partial > implementations can still serve some practical value, thus > obtaining at least some funding from available sources (who are > almost invariably more interested to fund near term practical > projects than AGI). The approach seems to be generally working > but it's sure slower and more complicated than it would be if we > had a big block of funding just for AGI... > > Anyway I certainly don't want to discourage you from going down > the intellectual path you've outlined, on your own. Thinking > stuff through for yourself has great merits. OTOH, also you > should be aware that others have trodden reasonably similar paths > before and are arguably way further toward the destination... > > -- Ben G > > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Sean Markan > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi AGI folks, >> >> I've written a paper about strategy and methodology for AGI. I >> would be interested in your thoughts/criticism! >> >> http://www.basicai.org/pubs/h2hlai.pdf >> >> - Sean >> >> *AGI* | Archives >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19237892-5029d625> >> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > - -- Logan Streondj, A dream of Gaia's future. twitter: https://twitter.com/streondj You can use encrypted email with me, how to: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ key fingerprint: BD7E 6E2A E625 6D47 F7ED 30EC 86D8 FC7C FAD7 2729 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIwBAEBCAAaBQJYzS9PExxzdHJlb25kakBnbWFpbC5jb20ACgkQhtj8fPrXJymG Eg//fr1V1+fAd3dUaObJe/IKf1z9S3Nna9IsLtB0viAerX5aO5x//sDqsyXr/kZ8 7cwyi0USlJsxI2NCetM66mfDALpPe06IYTZvmVayI/OufY9dr5JpBK+whfAmQs6H yCIzsqC9DD+N5XhMTWyjUme65Ysximapvxj3pjGLQvspnDCQzEyV+Of/AOuFtCom k0QCRzW9B077zu/fYNhZxu6hSGu9Lj3MH5znb2+tldLmSmetK91NLjr4dWzCx7Rn 5iJtoz1O9R/VfXzrN6CSzQajyFuSKsODZY2yapRyjORYqPDSUnAVdIMhG7p+p90Q q37b4sGqtibRE1PW5022HHx9aXuHwFfJjHoQd8CJlKhqjJwjcHZdGI/SrfjLx0Bn FgJpTZQXTpHgRBniJL0fBwB6ibMWDF3GXLHzt7ndOha+wMCW78IYKaU8NIzPL3Bp mGThZOSxElwHmw6TCA7afjh9fEOkPgbP5nW9fCiQNIBzonEV4mZBuvYVDyzwBbw6 7k1I2MvhVrdqXK8BHwyDJ0Ggb1IMbhUOf2Q8/Q8bizmTnFeuiweyQDlcrKCzgE16 VHIichR1QUoQ4F9fmxzS7aWH5QGBIam6YZLxYSfb6V7TV2ftyluoik0MEff3h5Mi +BfxhYektLGBSiyQTjS0hAXmgGXF1acbq15RmI4MYnnBb3I= =/uJt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
