Greetings.... I've been lurking on this list for some time now and Cosmodelia's recent posts (and their summary dismissal by most on the list) stir me to post....
What Cosmodelia brings up--about AGI's relating to music and having feelings (like Jane)--points out what, to me, is a very important piece of the AGI puzzle, as well as a huge gap in most approaches to AI: spirit. Most AGI researchers/activists tend to base their approaches to AGI on formal/mathematical/logical methods. Whether using methods famous in the academic literature or fundamentally new and original ones, most of these methods are rooted deeply in reason. In fact, I don't recall a single approach to AI which isn't. What I wish to communicate these logicocentric (term meant endearingly) researchers and activists is that they're missing the BIG picture. The BIG picture is much larger than reason--it is spirit--and it's missing in all but a few posts by Cosmodelia, Ben, Samantha, and a book by Kurzweil. cosmodelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is great to know a person working in one of the few projects of AGI love= > s music, and I guess art.=20 > > It is something I miss in the transhumanist community at large.=20 But, while the fact that the AI tradition has tended to frame "reason as everything" is likely to be largely accepted, my next proposition is not nearly as easy to swallow: I propose that *any* successful AGI design will be a design, instead of in reason, *in the technology of spirit*. Now, by "spirit", I don't mean the "Let's go pray to lunar crystals" snake oil-kind. I mean a real, all-encompasing, perspective on what it means to be. No doubt many AI'ers will claim spirit is irrelevant. No doubt some will claim that spirit is an emergent property of general intelligence. But I'm inclined (largely for rational reasons and partly for intuition) to disagree. Regarding the first point, I don't believe that spirit is irrelevant. Rather, I believe it is essential to intelligence. You can't have AGI without human-GI's ability to percieve spirit. Regarding the second point, I really doubt that spirit could be an emergent property of AGI. How can the whole emerge from the part unless the part already contains it? I'd love to see some serious treatment of this issue. Hasta que hay corazon en IA, Damien Diamond ------- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED]