Kevin said:

> I would say that complex information about anything can be conveyed in ways
> outside of your current thinking, but if you ask me to prove it, I cannot.
> There is evidence of it in things like the ERP experiment which show the
> existence of a possible substrate that we have not yet measured or
> verified...

Which experiment?  I'd like to hear about it.  As far as I know, there is yet to be 
found any conclusive evidence of a cognitively releveant substrate in the brain that 
we have not measured or verified.  Nothing in neuroscience data, that I am aware of, 
cannot be explained by cellular interactions at the atomic+ scale.

Or did you not refer to Event-Related Potentials?  The ERP acronym has multiple 
connotations. 


> 
> Question: the big bang occured in a closed system, yet the "information" for
> every phenomena we witness was the result of that occurance.  How was that
> information stored?  How did it get promulgated?

Information did not have to be "stored" for interesting things to develop.  I don't 
think, for example, that you would find the text for the Constitution of the United 
States hiding somewhere in the big bang proto-particle.  Simple systems can give rise 
to complex series of information.  

One can posit that quantum randomness (Shroedinger's cat) can imply the universe is 
non-predictable from its start state, but that doesn't mean quantum phenomenae are 
transmitting complex and significant information across some unverified substrate.   
It just means that quantum randomness can occasionally push things one or another, as 
in the butterfly wing analogy, in which a small change at one time can drastically 
alter the future.   

But I fear we are now getting pretty far from the AGI list's manifesto.

_brad

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