Well said Martin... 
If We could bring our troups home from around the world and use those 
allocations to support Alternative fules developement and maybe fuel cells 
development. 

Then the Eastern world could keep their oil. 

I'll close this subject with a quote from Eisenhower... 

"Every gun that is made, every warship that is launched, every rocket 
fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and 
are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is 
not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the 
genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. ... This is not a way 
of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of war, it is humanity 
hanging on a cross of iron."      --Dwight D. Eisenhower, April 16, 1953 

Better lives thru AI driven Logic.

On to the future... 

Dan Goe


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>From : Martin Striz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To : [email protected]
Subject : Re: [agi] Timing of Human-Level .. The Uncertainty...On the 
soap box... 
Date : Wed, 10 May 2006 16:08:13 -0400
> This isn't really the forum for this, but I should clear up a few
> misconceptions...
> 
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:39:01 -500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
> 
> > Government bureaucrats demand higher car fuel efficiency, and then 
mandate 
> > the use of Ethanol, which is less fuel-efficient.
> 
> It is still 1) cleaner, 2) produced domestically, 3) see below.
> 
> > Based on information from the web the energy cost of producing Ethanol
> > from corn is nearly the amount of energy within the product.
> 
> First, there have been some criticisms of those energy budgets, since
> it all depends on what you include in your calculation of energy
> production:
> 
> http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2005/04/comments_on_eth.html
> 
> Second, that's in part due to lobbyists in the private sector,
> specifically the corn lobby.  Brazil uses sugar(cane) ethanol, which
> produces some 8 times as much energy as corn ethanol, but the United
> States will be using corn ethanol because the corn lobby is much
> bigger than the sugar lobby.
> 
> Third, if you factor in the money that we spend through the Defense
> Department to protect our oil interests abroad (tens of billions of
> dollars), plus recently slapping on $200 billion for the Iraq War, oil
> is far more expensive than ethanol. Those are costs that we could cut
> (through lower taxes) if we didn't have to support such a big defense
> budget.  You have to factor in the hidden costs.
> 
> Martin
> 
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