|
>> Now
try that on my daughter or any other 3.5 year old. It doesnt work.
:}
Try what? Your daughter has calibrated her
vision and stuck labels on the gauge. What has she learned? That
this range reported by *her* personal vision system is labeled
yellow.
Now, you want to do this without any reference to
her vision system (i.e. verbally only). Effectively, you're trying to
label something that you're refusing to reference/acknowledge.
I would agree with your statement if you had said
"I don't believe that you can teach what yellow LOOKS LIKE verbally" because I'm
not even sure that yellow looks the same to you that it does to me (and
actually, red would be an even better example since I'm red-green color-blind
and, unless you are too, I'm quite sure that you DON'T know what I see when I
see red).
An AI that is equipped with some sort of vision
that includes a frequency measure can certainly learn verbally what yellow
is by being told that when the only frequency being returned within a
specific range that the object is yellow.
I'm sure that the AI will then "see" yellow very
differently than you and I do but it will recognize it accurately and it will
have been taught verbally.
>> There
is very little way to have an AI experience anything, and must generally be
limited to the regions of text in - text out
Huh? Why can't you tie the AI to a
camera?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:42
PM
Subject: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Marcus
Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize
Now try that on my daughter or any other 3.5 year old. It
doesnt work. :}
No, as another poster stated better, there are many
things that cant be explained verbally, and need to be "experienced"
which is one of my big hangups about AGI in general.
There is very
little way to have an AI experience anything, and must generally be limited to
the regions of text in - text out. Which is fine on some levels, but a
broad AGI will need all the other artifacts of life that only experience can
teach.
James Ratcliff
Mark Waser
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yellow is the state of reflecting light which
is between two specific frequencies.
Hot is the state of having a temperature above
some set value.
It takes examples to recognize/understand when
your sensory apparatus is reporting one of these states but this is a
calibration issue, not a learning issue.
Note also that hot has tremendously
varying values (based upon individual and context) and that where yellow
begins and ends is an artifact of the design of our visual
systems.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject:
Re: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge
prize
I dont believe "yellow" or "hot" can either be learned
verbally.
James
Russell Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On
8/13/06, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There
is no knowledge that you can demonstrate verbally that cannot also be
learned verbally.
An unusual claim... do you mean all knowledge can be learned
verbally, or do you think there are some kinds of knowledge that cannot
be demonstrated verbally?
To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your
subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank You
James Ratcliff
http://falazar.com
Do you Yahoo!?
Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new
Yahoo! Mail Beta.
To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your
subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your
subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank You
James Ratcliff
http://falazar.com
Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make
PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less.
To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your
subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription,
please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
