>> Have we not decided that impossible yet?
>> You can delay it, but not prevent it, once it hits the mainstream.

No, because my question deals with *before* it hits the mainstream.

>> The best way to delay it, is to have the smallest group, with the tightest 
>> restrictions in place, which goes against the grain of having a large mostly 
>> open groups that have been put forward.

Right.  But the question is "Is there some way to do it with a large, mostly 
open pool of contributors" (which is why I'm restricting access to the code to 
"need-to-know").

I'm really not being stupid and wrestling with an easy issue here    :-).

>> You can put all the standard mechanisms in to try to have it be friendly, 
>> but in the end, taking out those restrictions is an order much easier than 
>> putting them in place.

Agreed.  Once it's released, it's got to be able to fend for itself -- but I'm 
currently only concerning myself about the time before that point.




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Ratcliff 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [agi] Open AGI Consortium


  Have we not decided that impossible yet?

  You can delay it, but not prevent it, once it hits the mainstream.

  The best way to delay it, is to have the smallest group, with the tightest 
restrictions in place, which goes against the grain of having a large mostly 
open groups that have been put forward.

  You can put all the standard mechanisms in to try to have it be friendly, but 
in the end, taking out those restrictions is an order much easier than putting 
them in place.

  James Ratcliff


  Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    >> What distinguishes this venture from the hundreds of other ones that  
    are frankly indistinguishable from yours?  What is that killer thing that 
you  
    can convincingly demonstrate you have that no one else can?  Without  
    that, your chances are poor on many different levels.

    >> I'm trying to find your unique angle here, but have come up empty so  
    far.

    :-) You have no chance of finding such in what has been recently written.

    As I said a few e-mail previously -- There will be a massive write-up of 
    the project in July and I'll be inviting all interested parties then.  
YKY's 
    post just offered an immediate opportunity to float some of my 
    organizational ideas to see if they'd float or sink like a rock (since I 
    really don't want the non-project stuff to prevent people from working on 
    the project).

    >> I'm not trying to stop you, I'm merely pointing out that it will very  
    significantly reduce your opportunities and probably far more than  
    you are anticipating.  Either way, it won't be *my* problem. :-)  I'm  
    just trying to give you some practical perspective on the venture  
    thing, both generally and as it pertains to AI.

    Understood.  Let me reverse the question -- Given an absolute requirement 
of not letting the AGI be misused, what would you do?



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