Benjamin Goertzel wrote:
Show me ONE other example of the reverse engineering of a system in
which the low level mechanisms show as many complexity-generating
characteristics as are found in the case of intelligent systems, and I
will gladly learn from the experience of the team that did the job.
I do not believe you can name a single one.
Well, I am not trying to reverse engineer the brain. Any more than
the Wright Brothers were trying to reverse engineer a bird -- though I
do imagine the latter will eventually be possible.
You know, I sympathize with you in a way. You are trying to build an
AGI system using a methodology that you are completely committed to.
And here am I coming along like Bertrand Russell writing his letter to
Frege, just as poor Frege was about to publish his "Grundgesetze der
Arithmetik", pointing out that everything in the new book was undermined
by a paradox. How else can you respond except by denying the idea as
vigorously as possible?
It's a deeply flawed analogy.
Russell's paradox is a piece of math and once Frege
was confronted with it he got it. The discussion between the two of them
did not devolve into long, rambling dialogues about the meanings of terms
and the uncertainties of various intuitions.
Believe me, I know: which is why I envy Russell for the positive
response he got from Frege. You could help the discussion enormously by
not pushing it in the direction of long rambling dialogues, and by not
trying to argue about the meanings of terms and the uncertainties of
various intuitions, which have nothing to do with the point that I made.
I for one hate that kind of pointless discussion, which is why I keep
trying to make you address the key point.
Unfortunately, you never do address the key point: in the above, you
ignored it completely! (Again!)
At least Frege did actually get it.
Richard Loosemore
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