A. T. Murray wrote:
Mike Tintner wrote in the message archived at
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg09744.html
[...]
The first thing is that you need a definition
of the problem, and therefore a test of AGI.
And there is nothing even agreed about that -
although I think most people know what is required.
This was evident in Richard's recent response to
ATMurray's recent declaring of his "Agi" system.
Richard clearly knew pretty well why that system
failed the AGI "test" but he didn't have an explicit
definition of the test at his fingertips.
Richard Loosemore "clearly knew pretty well" nothing
of the sort. His was a lazy man's response. He did not
download and experiment with the MindForth program at
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/mind4th.html and
http://mind.sourceforge.net/mind4th.html -- he only
made a few generalizations about what he lazily
_thought_ MindForth might be doing. In the archive
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg09674.html
Richard Loosemore vaguely compares sophisticated
MindForth with the canned-reponse "Eliza" program --
which nobody ever claimed was an artificial intelligence.
Richard Loosemore furthermore suggested that all of
the cognitive processes in the Eysenck & Keane textbook
of Cognitive Psychology would have to be implemented
in MindForth before it could be said to have achieved
True AI functionality. That demand is like telling
Wilbur and Orville Wright that they have to demo
a transatlantic French Concorde jet before they may
claim to have achieved "true airplane functionality."
> [snip]
Well, I have had some people get mad at me before, but not when I was
being so ... charming.
Arthur, if there is an analogy between Mindforth and the Wright
Brothers, then you, alas, are just standing on the sand at Kitty Hawk,
waving your hands up and down and shouting "I can flap! I can flap!".
You don't have to build Concorde at the first attempt, you just have to
get your plane off the ground and show that it can travel any distance
at all under its own power.
I assumed that your own description of what Mindforth did was accurate
(it was, wasn't it?) and on that basis I saw it merely flapping its
wings in the same way that Eliza did 30 years ago.
Richard Loosemore
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