Richard Loosemore wrote: > [...] > Arthur, if there is an analogy between Mindforth > and the Wright Brothers, then you, alas, are just > standing on the sand at Kitty Hawk, waving your hands > up and down and shouting "I can flap! I can flap!".
After they achieved "true airplane functionality," apparently at least one newspaper -- perhaps The Loosemore Gazette -- published an article expressing disbelief in the preposterous claim by the Wright brothers that they had achieved flight. I am only claiming thought. > You don't have to build Concorde at the first attempt, > you just have to get your plane off the ground and > show that it can travel any distance > at all under its own power. Let me sketch out a few not-so-obvious details here. When ATM/Mentifex here comes in and announces "MindForth achieves True AI functionality," as at http://onsingularity.com/item/3175 -- the frequent posters such as yourself issue a few off-the-cuff remarks and the issue falsely seems settled in the way that you try to steer it. But meanwhile, as the open Site Meter logs on most Mentifex AI pages indicate, there are those more silent types around the world who actually investigate the true-AI claims and who proceed to spend over an hour examining dozens of pages in the voluminous Mentifex AI documentation. Others make their own local copies of the Mentifex webpages and still initiate a Site Meter log report whenever the page is called up. IF (big IF) the true-AI claim is true, people who silently exploit the technology won't be as vociferous about it as I have been. For instance, about six months ago, a lot of telecommunications companies around the world started looking closely at Mentifex AI. I have no idea what their conclusions were, but they seemed to be acting upon some sort of rumor being passed around in their own industry. Meanwhile, imagine this scenario. As various versions of Mind.Forth are released, some people grab a local copy of it, download 4.2 Win32Forth, and experiment with the AI on their hard drive. See what I'm getting at? -- _branches_ in the distribution and evolution of the AI Forthmind. After 22 January 2008, any such local installation of the Forthmind is a viable, thinking AI. Sure, MindForth gets better and better with each new release, but each new release, especially any with added features and with new functionality, gets harder and harder to understand as a program. So it is good if these sideways, lateral branches of MindForth diaspora occur, because someone somewhere may stumble upon the true-AI programs and start working on them over the years. > > I assumed that your own description of what Mindforth > did was accurate (it was, wasn't it?) Yes, but MindForth has to be seen in action to be appreciated for the fluidity of its thought processes. Prior to 22 January 2008, the incipient thoughts always went off the rails, due to bugs and glitches. > and on that basis I saw it merely flapping its wings > in the same way that Eliza did 30 years ago. http://AIMind-i.com is also flapping its wings on behalf of open-source AI in Win32Forth. Now I have to get back to such things as updating http://mind.sourceforge.net/m4thuser.html -- the Mind.Forth User Manual. Arthur ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=93795291-f96d68
