Mike Tintner wrote:
I believe we are
thinking machines and not in any way magical. I just believe that our
thinking works on different mechanistic/ computational principles to
those of programs - which someone apart from me, surely should at least
question. It has to be a serious *possibility* that programs equal
narrow AI, and are the wrong paradigm for AGI.
Mike,
You are repeating a statement that you have made before (and which I
have addressed before), and this is just going to cause great confusion
again.
When you say "I just believe that our thinking works on different
mechanistic/ computational principles to those of programs" you are
using the word "programs" in a misleading way.
"Programs" in general are capable of implementing any type of AI
whatsoever, ranging from the most stupid-brained AI that you hate, to
the most flexible, creative, unpredictable (etc) AI that you would like
to see.
What you are really trying to say is that intelligence is not captured
by a certain type of rigid, pure symbol-processing AI. The key phrase
is "symbol-processing", which has connotations a certain approach to the
representation of knowledge.
The way you phrase your position, you look like one of the "computers
cannot do intelligence because intelligence is not COMPUTATION" crowd.
These people believe that there is something magical and
non-computational about thought.
You are not the first person to complain about the problems associated
with the narrow symbol-processing approach, not by a long way: many of
the experts on this list already bought that message decades ago.
So: I already agree that intelligence is not going to happen that way!
But every time you say "intelligence is more than just programs" I can
only shake my head and watch while many other people on this list take
your words the wrong way and a huge, pointless debate kicks off again.
Richard Loosemore
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