On Feb 18, 2008 10:11 PM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You assume that the system does not go through a learning phase > (childhood) during which it acquires its knowledge by itself. Why do > you assume this? Because an AGI that was motivated only to seek > electricity and pheromones is going to be as curious, as active, as > knowledge seeking, as exploratory (etc etc etc) as a moth that has been > preprogrammed to go towards bright lights. It will never learn aything > by itself because you left out the [curiosity] motivation (and a lot > else besides!). > I think your reply points back to the confusion between intelligence and motivation. "Curiosity" would be a property of intelligence and not motivation. After all, you need a motivation to be curious. Moreover, the curiosity would be guided by the kind of motivation. A benevolent motive would drive the curiosity to seek benevolent solutions, like say solar power, while a malevolent motive could drive it to seek destructive ones. I see motivation as a much more basic property of intelligence. It needs to answer "why" not "what" or "how". > But when we try to get an AGI to have the kind of structured behavior > necessary to learn by itself, we discover ..... what? That you cannot > have that kind of structured exploratory behavior without also having an > extremely sophisticated motivation system. > So, in the sense that I mentioned above, why do you say/imply that a pheromone (or neuro transmitter) based motivation is not sophisticated enough? And, without getting your hands messy with chemistry, how do you propose to "explain" your emotions to a non-human intelligence? How would you distinguish construction from destruction, chaos from order, or why two people being able to eat a square meal is somehow better than 2 million reading Dilbert comics. In other words you cannot have your cake and eat it too: you cannot > assume that this hypothetical AGI is (a) completely able to build its > own understanding of the world, right up to the human level and beyond, > while also being (b) driven by an extremely dumb motivation system that > makes the AGI seek only a couple of simple goals. > In fact, I do think a & b are together possible and they best describe how human brains work. Our motivation system is extremely "dumb": reproduction! And it is expressed with nothing more than a feed back loop using neuro-transmitters. ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=95818715-a78a9b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
