Mike Tintner wrote:
Sorry, yes the "run" is ambiguous.
I mean that what the human mind does is *watch* continuous movies - but
it then runs/creates its own extensive movies based on its experience in
dreams - and, with some effort, replay movies in conscious imagination.
The point is: my impression is that in discussing this whole area,
both in AI, philosophy & cog sci/psych, people tend to forget that
consciousness is a continuously moving picture with the other senses
continuous too, and tend to think, even if only implicitly, in terms of
stills.
I am not at all sure where you get the impression that everyone thinks
in terms of "stills" rather than movies.
I am acutely aware of the need to handle time-varying phenomena. Such
things are definitely built into my model (there are elements that
capture sequences of other elements, and there are mechanisms for
allowing these to generalize their scope to arbitrary timescales...).
I guess you might not see much about that aspect of intelligence in the
conventional AI literature, but even they (with whom I have many issues)
would say that nothing excludes that type of representation from being
deployed in their formalisms.
You seem to find issues that "nobody is doing anything about in AI"
quite frequently, but I am not convinced that the gaps you are finding
are ever real.
Richard Loosemore
Mike Tintner wrote:
Er, just to clarify. You guys have, or know of, AI systems which run
continuous movies of the world, analysing and responding to those
movies with all the relevant senses, as discussed below, and then to
the world beyond those movies, in real time (or any time, for that
matter)?
I have no idea what you man by "run movies of the world" in this context.
You mean they have an internal world model?
Richard Loosemore
Mike Tintner wrote:
> You're crossing a road - you track both the oncoming car and
your body
> with all your senses at once - see a continuous moving image
of the
> car, hear the noise of the engine and tires, possibly smell
it if
> there's a smell of gasoline, have a kinaesthetic sense of
your body in
> relation to the car, including a sense of up/down,
left/right etc
*/Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
I have been working on getting exactly that sort of cognitive
system
since the mid 1980s.
I don't know: perhaps you think it is especially difficult
because you
have not done much work on it.
Conventional approaches to AI may well have trouble in this
area, but
since my approach has been directed at these kinds of issues
since the
very beginning, to me it looks relatively straightforward in
principle.
The real issues are elsewhere.
Richard Loosemore
I agree! The significant obstacles are elsewhere. The integration
of ideas and the ability to index large volumes of information so
that recognition systems can find them quickly are two problems that
I see as particularly difficult. Even if we were able to show how
to get the job done for a special case it would not necessarily
translate into a feasible and extensible general program.
Jim Bromer
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