--- Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> Huh?  Why can't an irreversible dynamic be part of an attractor?  (Not 
> >> that
> >> I need it to be)
> >
> > An attractor is a set of states that are repeated given enough time.
> 
> NO!  Easily disprovable by an obvious example.  The sun (moving through 
> space) is an attractor for the Earth and the other solar planets YET the sun
> and the other planets are never is the same location (state) twice (due to 
> the movement of the entire solar system through the universe).

No, the attractor is the center of the sun.  The Earth and other planets are
in the basin of attraction but have not yet reached equilibrium.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractor

> 
> > You seem to be giving special status to Homo Sapiens.  How does this arise
> > out
> > of your dynamic?  I know you can program an initial bias, but how is it
> > stable?
> 
> I am emphatically *NOT* giving special status to Homo Sapiens.  In fact, 
> that is precisely *my* objection to Eliezer's view of Friendliness.

OK.  That makes the problem much easier.


-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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