Ben,
I'm glad that you have decided to respond to, - or at least recognize - my
criticisms/points re creativity, because they are extremely important and
central to AGI - & as I said, it isn't just you but everyone who is avoiding
them - when it is in all your interests to confront them *now*/*urgently*. I
think in fact my criticisms do hold - but obviously I will have to look at your
book first. [I may have looked at it already - I've read quite a bit of you -
but you've written a lot]. If you could link me, or send me a copy, I will
reply in a more considered way.
... some loose ends in reply to a message from a few days back ...
Mike Tintner wrote:
***
Be honest - when and where have you ever addressed creative problems?
[Just count how many problems I have raised)..
***
In my 1997 book FROM COMPLEXITY TO CREATIVITY
***
Just as it is obvious that I know next to nothing about programming, it
is also obvious that you have v. little experience of discussing creative
problemsolving - at, I stress, a *metacognitive* level. (And nor, AFAIK, do any
AGI-ers - only partly excepting Minsky).
***
The 1997 book I referenced above in fact contains a significant amount of
metacognition about creativity. You seem to have the idea that it's supposed
to be possible to explain an AGI's creative process in detail, in specific
instances ... and I don't know why you think that, since it's not even the case
for humans.
***
All this stands in total, stark contrast to any discussion of logical or
mathematical, problems, where you are always delighted to engage in detail, and
v. helpful and constructive - and do not make excuses to cover up your
inexperience.
***
Aspects of the mind that are closer to the deliberative, intensely conscious
level are easier to discuss explicitly and in detail.
Aspects of the mind that are mainly unconscious and have to do mainly with
the coordinated activity of a large number of different processes, are harder
to describe in detail in specific instances. One can describe the underlying
processes but this then becomes technical and lengthy!!
-- Ben
--
Ben Goertzel, PhD
CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC
Director of Research, SIAI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first
overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson
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