On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, and I *have* to laugh . . . . > > Hence the wiki entry on scientific method: >> "Scientific method is not a recipe: it requires intelligence, >> >imagination, >> > and creativity" > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method >> This is basic stuff. >> > > In the cited wikipedia entry, the phrase "Scientific method is not a > recipe: it requires intelligence, imagination, and creativity" is > immediately followed by just such a recipe for the scientific method > > A linearized, pragmatic scheme of the four points above is sometimes > offered as a guideline for proceeding:[25] Yes, but each of those steps is very vague, and cannot be boiled down to a series of precise instructions sufficient for a stupid person to consistently carry them out effectively... Also, those steps are heuristic and do not cover all cases. For instance step 4 requires experimentation, yet there are sciences such as cosmology and paleontology that are not focused on experimentation. As you asked for references I will give you two: Paul Feyerabend, Against Method (a polemic I don't fully agree with, but his points need to be understood by those who will talk about scientific method) Imre Lakatos, The Methodology of Scientific Research Programmes (which I do largely agree with ... he's a very subtle thinker...) ben g > 1.. Define the question > 2.. Gather information and resources (observe) > 3.. Form hypothesis > 4.. Perform experiment and collect data > 5.. Analyze data > 6.. Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for > new hypothesis > 7.. Publish results > 8.. Retest (frequently done by other scientists) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Matthias Heger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <agi@v2.listbox.com> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:00 PM > Subject: AW: AW: AW: [agi] Re: Defining AGI > > > If MW would be scientific then he would not have asked Ben to prove that > MWs > hypothesis is wrong. > The person who has to prove something is the person who creates the > hypothesis. > And MW has given not a tiny argument for his hypothesis that a natural > language understanding system can easily be a scientist. > > -Matthias > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Montag, 20. Oktober 2008 22:48 > An: agi@v2.listbox.com > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [agi] Re: Defining AGI > > > You and MW are clearly as philosophically ignorant, as I am in AI. >> > > But MW and I have not agreed on anything. > > Hence the wiki entry on scientific method: >> "Scientific method is not a recipe: it requires intelligence, >> >imagination, >> > and creativity" > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method >> This is basic stuff. >> > > And this is fundamentally what I was trying to say. > > I don't think of myself as "philosophically ignorant". I believe > you've reversed the intention of my post. It's probably my fault for > choosing my words poorly. I could have conveyed the nuances of the > argument better as I understood them. Next time! > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
