Now you are making up new rules to decide that autobliss doesn't feel
pain. My definition of pain is negative reinforcement in a system that
learns. There is no other requirement.
I made up no rules. I merely asked a question. You are the one who makes a
definition like this and then says that it is up to people to decide whether
other humans feel pain or not. That is hypocritical to an extreme.
I also believe that your definition is a total crock that was developed for
no purpose other than to support your BS.
You stated that machines can feel pain, and you stated that we don't get
to decide which ones. So can you precisely define grounding, internal
feedback and volition (as properties of Turing machines) and prove that
these criteria are valid?
I stated that *SOME* future machines will be able to feel pain. I can
define grounding, internal feedback and volition but feel no need to do so
"as properties of a Turing machine" and decline to attempt to prove anything
to you since you're so full of it that your mother couldn't prove to you
that you were born.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Mahoney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: Definition of pain (was Re: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does
solve the problem of consciousness--correction)
--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Autobliss has no grounding, no internal feedback, and no
volition. By what definitions does it feel pain?
Now you are making up new rules to decide that autobliss doesn't feel
pain. My definition of pain is negative reinforcement in a system that
learns. There is no other requirement.
You stated that machines can feel pain, and you stated that we don't get
to decide which ones. So can you precisely define grounding, internal
feedback and volition (as properties of Turing machines) and prove that
these criteria are valid?
And just to avoid confusion, my question has nothing to do with ethics.
-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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