> This may violate Rule 2478. In particular, under that rule the Referee SHALL
> declare a pointing to be shenanigans if e believes it would be ILLEGAL or
> INEFFECTIVE to impose a fine for it; otherwise e SHALL impose the cold hand
> of justice.
Not quite.
When a player Points a Finger, the investigator SHALL investigate
the allegation and, in a timely fashion, SHALL conclude the
investigation by:
- Imposing the Cold Hand of Justice on the perp, as described
elsewhere; or
- if e believes that no rules violation occurred or that it would
be ILLEGAL or INEFFECTIVE to levy a fine for it, announcing the
Finger Pointing to be Shenanigans.
In short:
- I MUST either Impose the Cold Hand of Justice or announce Shenanigans.
- If no rule violation occurred, then I CANNOT Impose the Cold Hand of Justice
(R2531).
- If _I believe_ a rule violation occurred, then I CANNOT announce Shenanigans.
In this case, I believed no rule violation occurred. Therefore I COULD, and
did, announce Shenanigans regardless of whether or not a rule violation
actually occurred, and doing so discharged my obligations under R2478. (It is
true that I forgot to announce that the Pointing of Gaelan's Finger at Gaelan
for violating Rule 105 was also Shenanigans. I do so now.)
The fact that I first attempted to Impose the Cold Hand of Justice on Gaelan is
irrelevant. I am not PROHIBITED from performing INEFFECTIVE actions (unless
doing so constitutes a lie). And if it actually was EFFECTIVE, then so much the
better - it means eir attempt to make every player impure backfired.
Incidentally, I can't quite figure out if the way this rule behaves is
intentional or not. It seems similar to the fairly-common "If this CFJ that
'this is a CFJ' exists, then it must be TRUE, so I judge it TRUE."
-twg
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:26 PM, D. Margaux <dmargaux...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> > On Feb 13, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
> > Neither of these interpretations imposes any obligation on any player to
> > re-enact repealed rules. Therefore, for each player other than Gaelan, I
> > announce the below-quoted Pointing of Gaelan's Finger at that player to be
> > Shenanigans.
> > However, just in case I'm wrong, I Impose the Cold Hand of Justice by
> > levying a fine of 3 blots on Gaelan for failing to reenact rule 2452
> > ("Trust Tokens") with the same ID number and the next change identifier, in
> > violation of rule 105. If I am correct that no rules violation occurred,
> > then of course this attempt to levy a fine is INEFFECTIVE.
>
> This may violate Rule 2478. In particular, under that rule the Referee SHALL
> declare a pointing to be shenanigans if e believes it would be ILLEGAL or
> INEFFECTIVE to impose a fine for it; otherwise e SHALL impose the cold hand
> of justice.
>
> Here, Gaelan and all other players are similarly situated. There’s no legal
> way to attempt to impose a fine on Gaelan without also attempting to impose a
> fine on everyone else, I think.
