Re: (@Arbitor) (CFJ) BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8815-8821

[Kerim Aydin via agora-business]

On 7/30/2022 12:01 AM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 3:46 AM ais523 via agora-business <
> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> 
>>> 8816~   secretsnail             3.05  No Duplication Allowed
>> AGAINST, unnecessary and just clutters up the ruleset – this is already
>> inherent in the meaning of the word "create"
>>
> 
> It's not inherent, that's why this needs to be clarified. Otherwise people
> might not think so unless they happen to read some cfj, or end up causing
> one. I thought we were trying to avoid that.
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>> 8817~   secretsnail             3.05  No Duplication Allowed
>> CoE: This was not validly distributed because it was not in the
>> proposal pool.
> 
> 
> response to CoE: CFJ, barring ais523: the proposal listed above was
> distributed.

I favor this cfj.  After some discord discussion I realized my recent
judgement and gratuitous arguments on this case weren't in harmony with
immediately preceding precedent and it seems good to clarify.

> Arguments FOR: The rules say I CAN do it, so creating the proposal should
> have worked, and the distribution seems fine. There's no inherent inability
> to create something that's already been created, and even if there was, the
> rules still say you CAN do it which may override that, or maybe there's a
> contradiction that arises because of this in the rules in which case the
> Proposals rule may or may not take precedence. There's also the issue of
> "the following proposal" not actually referring to a proposal, which may
> make the "second creation" work as it isn't actually creating the same
> proposal twice, but two separate proposals that have the following
> attributes listed in the message of creation. I'm mainly calling this CFJ
> because I want a more comprehensive argument than the last time this came
> up in a CFJ, as that judgement left many points unaddressed, and there was
> lengthy discussion afterwards that may be helpful for making this judgement
> more complete.
> 
> 
> Evidence:
> 
> The purported double creation:
> 
> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg43032.html
> 
> Rule 2350/16 (Power=3)
> Proposals
> 
>       A proposal is a type of entity consisting of a body of text and
>       other attributes. A player CAN create a proposal by announcement,
>       specifying its text and optionally specifying any of the following
>       attributes:
> 
>       * An associated title.
> 
>       * A list of coauthors (which must be persons other than the
>         author).
> 
>       * An adoption index.
> 
>       Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
>       is created, its text, author, and AI cannot be changed. The author
>       (syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who submitted it.
> 
>       The author of a proposal in the Proposal Pool CAN remove (syn.
>       retract, withdraw) it from the Pool by announcement.
> 
> --
> secretsnail