Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Michael wrote: >> Such deeming happens in regulated fashion, so everyone else's >> unregulated deeming is completely irrelevant.
> Oho, that seems like a particularly pernicious semantic slip, > changing the regulation of a noun (e.g. deeming regulated quantities > making up the gamestate to have changed) to the wholesale regulation > of the verb "deem". No. I'm only interested in what the rules deem. So I claim that a particular class of actions are regulated, not the whole verb at all. You can deem all you like, but the rules will pay you no attention. So, deem away, monsieur. > I'm also confused about the rules you cite, having to do with > annotating rules and dependent actions? If a judge comes to some interpretation of a rule (as recorded by an offical annotation), that adds additional interpretational oomph to the ruleset, possibly up to the invention of legal fictions. Such extra information is added to the ruleset in the form of annotations and we have to obey them (and they can be quite arbitrary). In other parts of the ruleset, other ruleset-based legal fictions are allowed to exist. Therefore, the Agoran gamestate includes interpretational glosses on rules and legal fictions (which I'm calling "deemings" for the sake of compactness). These can be changed by the methods spelt out in the rules, which includes by proposal. (And this is why the proposal you so objected to is perfectly legit, even if ugly etc.) >> You can deem Zefram to be a pineapple, but your perception of >> Zefram is of no relevance when a Judge comes to establish the >> answer to the question. If, on the other hand, you passed a >> proposal deeming Zefram to be a pineapple, we'd have to respect >> this. > Not if it doesn't meet the test of a regulated action. Deeming a > regulated quantity to be something meets the test. Deeming an > unregulated quantity to be something is by definition unregulated, > and by R101(ii), a player has the right to perform such actions. > Since it is a right, it cannot be abridged, and the courts must > respect that. If a Proposal tries to deem an unregulated quantity > to be something, no record is kept, any anyone can deem it right > back. You can deem all you like, but you can not affect the rules' deemings because these are regulated. Therefore all the messages saying "I deem this", "I deem the other" are complete fluff. Michael.
