On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote: > On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > A pledge MAY be considered broken if the pledgor does > > > Using MAY here is grammatically odd to me. Do you mean "might"? > Or do you mean (using the definition of MAY) that it is not against > the rules to "perform the action" of considering the pledge to be > broken, whatever that means? > > > I do mean the Mother, May I definition of MAY. I wanted to capture the idea > that pledges to do things must be completed in a timely fashion without > overly constraining pledges to _only_ be pledges to do things, or to impose > a MUST/SHALL constraint on others to enforce a pledge. > > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, omd <c.ome...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Under past rules, that would have implied that it's illegal to > consider a pledge broken in other circumstances - thoughtcrime :) > > > That’s by design. Pledges are very open-ended things, and I wanted to keep > that. I tried to structure this proposed rule to allow for that, while still > capturing Quazie’s attempt to impose a time limit on unfulfilled pledges. > > I’ve also normalized “is a cardable offence” to use the same SHALL framework > as other cardable offences, and attempted to answer the question of whether > non-player pledges are binding directly. > > On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Other comment: pledges may often have their own time limits, so > the timely manner should be a default, not an override as written. > > > I was hoping that using MAY here would allow that, but it does rely on > everyone else not to jump on the first opportunity to Point Fingers. I’ve a > fair degree of faith in my fellow Agorans to abide by the spirit of most > pledges, and to resort to rules-lawyering only when necessary (or when it’s > funny). > > Minor nit: "pledgor" is ugly. That tradition for Office names need not > be extended to words that have correctly-spelled words like pledger > already. > > > http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pledgor > > However, I agree - just not strongly enough to withdraw the proposal and > resubmit it on my own. Want to split the cost? >
I'll split the cost with you if you change the pledgor thing and make the MAYs lower case. -Aris
