NttPF.
Greetings,
Ørjan.
On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wrote:
I move reconsideration.
I recuse myself.
On Thursday, July 6, 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
[email protected]> wrote:
TTttPF
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Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[email protected] <javascript:;>
On Jul 5, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
I move to enter this judgement into moot.
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Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[email protected] <javascript:;>
On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:35 PM, V.J Rada <[email protected] <javascript:;>>
wrote:
This contains my motion to reconsider and my
adressing your argument (although cursorily)
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 6:42 PM, V.J Rada <[email protected]
<javascript:;>> wrote:
I move to reconsider (you can't, you cndan intend to move
and wait for two support.
I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation.
I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated
action though. It seems to me that despite the auction
provisions, people could auction their own property
without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact
that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction
off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh)
does not work.
"A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any
player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement"
from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction
provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of
the word "Owner" means someone who can control their
property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner
or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized
by rule (such as the auction provision).
CB raises the additional argument that an auction still can be
called even if the winner cannot have the property transferred
to them. Auction is undefined. The ordinary meaning is
"a public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest
bidder.". A sale cannot exist unless the property is actually
given to the winner of the auction. I have already explained that
this cannot happen. Therefore, an auction has not been called
here.
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Cuddle Beam <[email protected]
<javascript:;>> wrote:
I motion to reconsider.
Whether the winning bid can actually make a transfer or not shouldn't
affect if there is actually an *auction* or not in the first place, I
believe.
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 AM, V.J Rada <[email protected]
<javascript:;>> wrote:
I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation.
I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated
action though. It seems to me that despite the auction
provisions, people could auction their own property
without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact
that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction
off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh)
does not work.
"A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any
player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement"
from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction
provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of
the word "Owner" means someone who can control their
property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner
or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized
by rule (such as the auction provision).
On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Alex Smith <[email protected]
<javascript:;>> wrote:
On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 02:21 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote:
The moment is ripe to attempt something like this, because it's Auction
time. Let's go:
Putting Estates up to Auction is an unregulated action, much like
withdrawing. (I don't personally believe this - because I believe all
actions in the universe are Regulated - but many others do, so I'm
going
off that). In case its of doubt, the following states an obligation
for the
Surveyor to perform, so its not a description of "circumstances under
which
the action would succeed or fail":
"At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one Estate, the
Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by Agora up for auction,
by
announcement. Each auction ends seven days after it begins."
Additionally, the state of being in an auction or not is tracked by
nobody,
so it doesn't infringe "would, as part of its effect, modify
information
for which some player is required to be a recordkeepor"
Therefore:
- I put every Estate up for Auction, (even those owned by other
players, if
possible).
- I then bid a million shinies on each of them.
- I then bid one shiny on each of them.
I have absolutely no defense towards other people bidding more than a
million and using my own "scam" to win auctions, which only works
versus
the "conventional" way of winning them by bidding amounts of cash you
actually own.
I CFJ: "There is currently more than one auction for Estates"
That's all.
This is CFJ 3537. I assign it to V.J. Rada.
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ais523
Arbitor
