"a person at a car auction grabbing the item they bought"
seems pretty legit imo.
On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 7:34 PM, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I call for reconsideration (again) and submit the following judgement of
> FALSE
>
> 1. Facts
> Despite (at the time, at least) not being the Surveyor, Cuddlebeam
> attempted to
> initiate 5 auctions for Estates. Four of these were of Estates owned by
> Agora, and one was owned by a private party. E then called this CFJ to
> determine whether any auction was indeed ongoing. While an auction is
> currently ongoing, it is an oft-repeated maxim that CFJs shall be judged on
> the facts at the calling of the CFJ. The question in this case is whether a
> player can initiate auctions for any Estate by announcement and if not,
> whether they may initate auctions for only private Estates or only Agoran
> estates.
> 2.The meaning of the word auction
> Without resorting to any dictionaries, an auction means to me a sale in
> which people bid for an item and the person who bid the most wins the item.
> A dictionary definition of auction is similar: an auction is "a public
> sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest bidder." The
> previously run auction for Estates worked in a similar way. There has been
> some controversy about whether or not an auction with no possibility of
> sale is indeed an auction. I ruled that it was not. PSS contended that
> because under the current rules' provision for auctions, the auction itself
> did not transfer Estates, my interpretation would render all auctions
> invalid. However, I here affirm my previous ruling. The player transferring
> the Estate to emself is similar to a person at a car auction grabbing the
> item they bought. Even if transfer is not guarenteed, it is likely. I hold
> that under the common sense, dictionary and game practise meaning of the
> word "auction", a purported auction that is unlikely or impossible to
> result in a transfer of the auctioned Estate
> is no auction at all.
> 3.Josh's Estate
> I hold that the Estate Josh T holds cannot be transferred and thus no
> auction is taking place for the Estate of Antegria (under the facts at the
> time of the calling). The Rules state that "A player who owns an Estate
> can and may transfer it to any player, to any Organization, or to Agora,
> by announcement.". This clearly regulates the transferring of Estates and
> places two conditions on it ("a player who owns an Estate" and "by
> announcement". It is clear neither CB nor anyone else may transfer Josh's
> estate to anyone else because they do not meet the restrictions. Fun fact:
> when an organization is transferred an Estate, it can never leave. rito plz.
> 4. Agoran Estates
> Agora is not a sentient being (yet) and cannot act on its own behalf to
> transfer Estates it owns. Therefore the rules create another way for
> Estates to be transferred. By an auction initiated by the Surveyor. However
> it also makes the judgement that this should only be done by the Surveyor,
> once a month. CB is not the Surveyor, and he is attempting to initiate four
> auctions at once. It is clear that the rules "limit" the action of
> initiating an auction to the Surveyor. Previous judgements and messages
> have invoked Generalia Specialibus Non Derogant, but that statutory cannon
> applies to two conflicting statutes. I would instead invoke the principle
> of both Agora and common law systems that a Rule or legislative decision
> overrides any murky general ability to do something. CB's attempted actions
> are outside the regulatory framework and therefore not effective. It was
> clearly the intent of the writers of the rule for one Auction to happen at
> once, and CB's action would disrupt the intent.
>
> FALSE
>
