I hate the economy cap - it doesn't seem fun, and seems to ruin any chance of a basic income On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 09:06 Cuddle Beam <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree there. However I feel like Agora is going to be bone dry every > single time a "get a lot of shinies" scam appears, and a lot of them have > popped up so far (iirc, there is that official report one that VJ has > pointed out, there is the mass Stamp destruction one which Gaelan has > perfected, that bogus report one floating around and the issue of > re-registering repeatedly to claim Welcome Packages en masse). > > Maybe something like this would help? Proto: > > "If Agora has 100 or less shinies, Agora can only give shinies by virtue > of granting Welcoming Packages." > > And then reinforce Welcoming Package rules too > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Kerim Aydin <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> It doesn't take 30 days due to a bug. >> >> To use the bug, deregister, and re-register without using the words >> "I register" or "I become a player", or other action verbs rather, >> re-register by passive language indicating "reasonably clearly and >> reasonably unambiguously that e intends to become a player at that >> time." >> >> I'd think about doing so as a protest; the difficulty towards casual >> player economic participation has been pointed out and so far in >> conversations, the designers of the system either aren't seeing the >> great urgency to fix it, or think it's a feature. >> >> Of course, there aren't enough shinies to give you a welcome package >> now, so it depends on your current holdings. Another failing of >> the system is no one is actually responsible or held accountable >> for failing to pay out welcome packages - this system definitely >> supports the gerontocracy, much worse than other systems I've seen. >> >> (Not that I think this was the intent, but at this time it should >> be clear and as game designers, there should be some urgency in >> fixing it). >> >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote: >> > I would like my stamp or the value of Shinies which I paid for it back >> because I do not >> > effectively have a way to earn Shinies as a casual player. If >> deregistration and >> > re-registering didn't take 30 days I would seriously consider doing so >> so I qualify for >> > another welcome package at this point. Expect me to do so at some point >> if the economy >> > doesn't get fixed, and re-implement everything I own. >> > >> > 天火狐 >> > >> > On 7 September 2017 at 09:32, Gaelan Steele <[email protected]> wrote: >> > That was my main reason for assuming it would fail, and why my >> attempt specified an order. >> > >> > Gaelan >> > >> > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:55 AM, Kerim Aydin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Coming back to the "all stamps" statement. >> > > >> > > "all" is a convenient shorthand and wholly unofficial. If it >> is too >> > > difficult (ambigious) for an officer to calculate, we can >> assume that >> > > the actor also didn't sufficiently specify the set to perform >> multiple >> > > actions, and is uncertain about what it is shorthand for, and >> the whole >> > > thing is unsuitably ambiguous. >> > > >> > > ALSO: we stated that "If a transaction doesn't go through, the >> whole >> > > thing fails." Would Agora have run out of shinies partway >> through >> > > destroying stamps? If so, some stamps survived. If we don't >> know >> > > the order in which stamps were destroyed, it is ambiguous which >> ones >> > > were destroyed. This is also enough to toss the whole thing >> out. >> > > >> > > (There is also a precedent, which I can find if there's a CFJ, >> that we >> > > require extra scrutiny on scam actions). >> > > >> > > >> > >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: >> > >> how much is this by the way? It may be a nightmare to bookkeep >> every >> > >> stamp for poor o. >> > >> >> > >>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Cuddle Beam < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >>> OK, we're all stupid lol, let me fix it then : P >> > >>> >> > >>> I destroy all stamps and cause Agora to transfer, for each, >> the Stamp Value >> > >>> to me, in shinies. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:57 AM, V.J Rada <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> "e tried to have Agora transfer em the FLOATING value, not >> the SHINY >> > >>>> value." >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I think you mean STAMP value :) >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Gaelan Steele < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >>>>> I discovered two problems with Cuddle’s attempt. The first, >> which I >> > >>>>> believe is sufficient to make it fail, is that e tried to >> have Agora >> > >>>>> transfer em the FLOATING value, not the SHINY value. This >> means that VJ got >> > >>>>> his rewards. My other reason remains classified. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> I’d advise that VJ still refrain from spending his shinies >> until we are >> > >>>>> absolutely certain that the typo failed it. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Gaelan >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> -- >> > >>>> From V.J Rada >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> From V.J Rada >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >
