any proposal doing that would get failed bc of ossifying agora though right?

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Aris Merchant
<thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agora would stop existing. It would therfore have no state. Arguably
> though, if we made a meta-descision to recreate it, it would start
> existing again. The Paradox of Self-Amendment has some stuff on this.
>
>
> -Aris
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
>> As a thought experiment (only), what is the state of Agora if we repeal 
>> every rule?
>>
>> -o
>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:30 AM, Aris Merchant 
>>> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahh! Don't do that. All rules are instruments.
>>>
>>> -Aris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Proto:
>>>>
>>>> Title: Spring Cleaning
>>>>
>>>> Content: Remove all Historic Instruments [replace that with a proper
>>>> definition for cleanup] that are older than 1 year old.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Owen Jacobson <o...@grimoire.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This whole conversation rung a memory bell for me, something Old (12+
>>>>>> years old) that might be
>>>>>> still in effect!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a Proposal, that read something like the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Be it Hereby Proclaimed that from this moment forward, anyone who
>>>>>> causes gamestate
>>>>>>  changes without creating a public record is Guilty of the Crime of
>>>>>> Invisibilitating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that Instruments don't lose power (they just reach the end of their
>>>>>> effects).  So
>>>>>> if a Proposal defines an effect as ongoing, there's still a Powered
>>>>>> instrument out there
>>>>>> proclaiming people guilty of this crime whenever they do it…
>>>>>
>>>>> fx: pained sigh
>>>>>
>>>>> As a practical matter, it’s not realistic for the Referee to keep track of
>>>>> every infraction-bearing document indefinitely. The current rules to 
>>>>> appear
>>>>> to require it anyways, so I make an effort: I have a massive folder of
>>>>> pledges, for example. However, at the end of the day, I (and, I think, my
>>>>> inevitable successor) is only human, and can only account for so much.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I miss a card due to a historic Instrument, please bring it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> -o
>>>>
>>>>
>>



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>From V.J Rada

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