I typed up a long response and then realized that I think we might have differing ideas of what it means to talk about "whole votes", thus I am going to ask; what did you mean by "count PRESENT as a whole vote"?
天火狐 On 14 September 2017 at 23:48, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's a conditional, which is totally different. G's here talking > about an instant runoff ballot of > 1. Jeff > 2. PRESENT > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Josh T <draconicdarkn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > It sounds like having endorse or PRESENT as the tail of a list of votes > is > > acceptable. This allows things like "I endorse A, unless eir vote > indicates > > preference for B, in which case my vote is PRESENT." > > > > 天火狐 > > > > On 14 September 2017 at 19:09, VJ Rada <vijar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> My current policy is to count PRESENT as a whole vote. Endorse can't > >> be a whole vote bc people keep saying things like "vote CB, else > >> endorse G". My current policy is to count that vote as a list of {CB, > >> all of G's votes in order except for the vote for CB, which is first} > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> >> I have no idea how to handle PRESENT in runoff voting. Is it a > >> >> replacement > >> >> for the whole list, or is it an option on the list? If it's the > first > >> >> option > >> >> on a ranked voting, is PRESENT "eliminated" if it doesn't win, so my > >> >> vote doesn't > >> >> end up counting towards quorum? And what happens if PRESENT is the > >> >> majority? > >> >> is everyone else eliminated? I'm not sure if the "standard > definition > >> >> of instant > >> >> runoff" covers this. So let's test that in some slightly-less > >> >> essential offices. > >> >> Fun!! > >> > > >> > This question is also a concern for endorsements. > >> > > >> > Take the following results votes for voters P...Z for candidates A..G, > >> > then my > >> > vote: > >> > > >> > P: {A, B, C} > >> > Q: {A, B, C} > >> > R: {A, B, C} > >> > > >> > S: {D, E, F} > >> > T: {D, E, F} > >> > U: {D, E, F} > >> > > >> > Z: {G, A} > >> > > >> > Me: {endorse Z, D} > >> > > >> > From first-choices, we have A=3, D=3, G=2 (1 certain G, 1 > endorsement). > >> > > >> > G is eliminated. > >> > > >> > So if we eliminate my first conditional choice, "endorse Z", then the > >> > second > >> > vote on my list is for D, D wins. > >> > > >> > But if we keep my "endorse Z" vote, and G is eliminated, then I'm > >> > endorsing Z's > >> > second choice, and A wins. > >> > > >> > Which is right, if either? > >> > > >> > The only way I can really make sense of this is if PRESENT and Endorse > >> > are > >> > whole votes (i.e. substitute for the whole list, not part of a list). > >> > But > >> > I'm not sure if the rules say that, or are broken? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From V.J. Rada > > > > > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >