There is long-standing precedent that "CAN and SHALL within [time limit]" does not limit the CAN; it only sets a deadline on the SHALL.
On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 at 22:11 VJ Rada <[email protected]> wrote: > It's cool, Munn just needs to distribute my proposal and start the > election again. > > The real problem would be, what happens if the ADoP didn't initiate in > a timely way? It says that e CAN do so in a timely fashion which means > e cannot outside of the 7 day period. And nor could anyone else. > > On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Aris Merchant > <[email protected]> wrote: > > And I can't distribute them. And I can't remove them, because they're > > pending. I knew this was a bad idea. > > > > -Aris > > > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 6:34 PM VJ Rada <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Sorry Munn, neither the initiation of the election nor the > >> distribution of the proposal worked. Rules say the following "the ADoP > >> CAN and SHALL, _in the same message_: 1) If the election is contested, > >> initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the election (the > >> poll). For this decision, the Vote Collector is the Assessor, the > >> valid options are the candidates for that election (including those > >> who become candidates after its initiation), and the voting method is > >> instant runoff. 2) Distribute all pendingCampaign Proposals associated > >> with the election.". > >> > >> Gotta be in the same message. > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:35 AM, ATMunn <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > Ah, thanks for letting me know. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 10/31/2017 8:32 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> >> > >> >> (by the way ATMunn, I am uncommitted). > >> >> > >> >> I vote for myself, and FOR my campaign proposal. > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> I vote in favour. > >> >>> > >> >>> On 10/31/2017 08:29 PM, ATMunn wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I was too lazy to check for very long, sorry. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I hereby distribute the below campaign proposal, initiating the > >> >>>> Agoran > >> >>>> Decision of whether to adopt it. For this decision, the vote > >> >>>> collector > >> >>>> is the Assessor, the quorum is [quorum] and the valid options are > FOR > >> >>>> and AGAINST (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are conditionals). > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> >>>> Title: Referee Reform and Card Appealability > >> >>>> Author: V.J. Rada > >> >>>> Co-author(s): > >> >>>> Adoption Index: 2 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Change the power of rule 2451, Executive Orders, to 2.0. In this > >> >>>> rule, > >> >>>> replace the text "The reason for the card MAY be any grievance held > >> >>>> by > >> >>>> the Prime Minister" with "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the reason for > >> >>>> the card MAY be any grievance held by the Prime Minister" > >> >>>> > >> >>>> In rule 2426, replace the text > >> >>>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any > >> >>>> attempt > >> >>>> to issue a Card, or any intent for a dependent action to issue a > >> >>>> Card, > >> >>>> is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include the following information: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> The type of Card being issued, > >> >>>> The person to whom the Card is being issued (the bad sport), and > >> >>>> The specific action, inaction of the bad sport giving rise to the > >> >>>> Card > >> >>>> (the reason)." > >> >>>> > >> >>>> with the text > >> >>>> > >> >>>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any > >> >>>> attempt > >> >>>> to issue a Card is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include (1) the type > of > >> >>>> card being issued, (2) the name of the person being issued the card > >> >>>> (the bad sport), and (3) the specific reason for the issuance of > the > >> >>>> card, or if it attempts to issue a person a card for an action or > >> >>>> inaction which e (more likely than not) did not commit, or if it > >> >>>> attempts to issue a card for an action or inaction which is not > >> >>>> prohibited by law, or if it attempts to issue a type of card which > is > >> >>>> blatantly and obviously unsuited to the conduct which constitutes > the > >> >>>> reason for its issuance or to the person to which it is being > issued, > >> >>>> or if it is made more than 14 days after the conduct constituting > the > >> >>>> reason for the issuance of the card, or if it attempts to issue a > >> >>>> card > >> >>>> to a player who has already been issued a card for the conduct > >> >>>> constituting the reason for the issuance of the card." > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Also in rule 2426, remove the last paragraph. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> In rule 2479 "Official Justice", remove the last paragraph. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Also in rule 2479, replace the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir > >> >>>> Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than five total times per > >> >>>> week, > >> >>>> or more than twice per week at or on the same person." > >> >>>> with the text > >> >>>> "The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three times > a > >> >>>> week". > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Also in rule 2479, append, at the end of the first paragraph, the > >> >>>> text > >> >>>> "Summary Judgement is imposed on the Referee's own initiative, and > >> >>>> not > >> >>>> in response to any official proceeding". > >> >>>> > >> >>>> In rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice", remove the last paragraph. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Also in rule 2478, replace the text " - issuing a Card to the > >> >>>> pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the > >> >>>> allegation; or" > >> >>>> with the text > >> >>>> " - Imposing the Cold Hand of Justice, issuing a Card to the > >> >>>> pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the > >> >>>> allegation; or" > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Also in rule 2478, add below the dot-points and above the paragraph > >> >>>> beginning "The Referee is by default", add a new paragraph which > >> >>>> reads > >> >>>> "There is no limit on how many times a player may impose the Cold > >> >>>> Hand > >> >>>> of Justice per week". > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Add a new rule at power 1 entitled "Referee Accountability" with > the > >> >>>> text "If the Referee attempts to issue three or more INEFFECTIVE > >> >>>> cards > >> >>>> in a week, any player CAN, with two support, issue a writ of > >> >>>> Impartial > >> >>>> Arbitration Restoration, immediately making the position of Referee > >> >>>> vacant. When a writ of Impartial Arbitration Restoration is issued, > >> >>>> the ADoP SHALL initiate an election for the Referee within a timely > >> >>>> fashion" > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I vote PRESENT (for now, I might change my vote later once I have > >> >>>> time > >> >>>> to actually think about what this is saying) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On 10/31/2017 4:09 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ttttpf > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:08 AM, VJ Rada <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg30296.html > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> COE: There was absolutely a flippin' campaign proposal from me. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:01 AM, ATMunn <[email protected] > > > >> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision > >> >>>>>>>> to > >> >>>>>>>> select the winner of the Referee election. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > valid > >> >>>>>>>> options are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as > >> >>>>>>>> are > >> >>>>>>>> conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Currently, the candidates are VJ Rada and o. As the election is > >> >>>>>>>> contested, any player still may become a candidate until the > poll > >> >>>>>>>> ends. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> There were no campaign proposals. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, I strongly encourage anyone voting on election-related > >> >>>>>>>> things to > >> >>>>>>>> post your votes in this thread from now on. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Here are all of the current votes (attn: PSS) > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Rulekeepor > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> o: {PSS, Alexis, Trigon} > >> >>>>>>>> ATMunn: {Alexis, PSS} > >> >>>>>>>> Alexis: Conditional ({Alexis, Trigon} if Alexis publishes a FLR > >> >>>>>>>> draft > >> >>>>>>>> to a forum before the end of the voting period; > >> >>>>>>>> {Trigon, > >> >>>>>>>> Alexis} > >> >>>>>>>> otherwise.) > >> >>>>>>>> VJ Rada: {Trigon} > >> >>>>>>>> PSS: {PSS, Alexis} > >> >>>>>>>> Aris: {Trigon, Alexis} > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Agronomist > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> ATMunn: {o} > >> >>>>>>>> VJ Rada: PRESENT > >> >>>>>>>> PSS: PRESENT > >> >>>>>>>> Alexis: {o, VJ Rada} > >> >>>>>>>> o: {o, VJ Rada} > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Proposals 7954-7956 > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> |7954|7955|7956 > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > -------+----+----+----+------------------------------------------------ > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> ATMunn |F |A |F | > >> >>>>>>>> VJ Rada|F |A |F | > >> >>>>>>>> PSS |F |A |F | > >> >>>>>>>> Alexis |F |F |F | > >> >>>>>>>> o |F |A |F | > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > -------+----+----+----+------------------------------------------------ > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>>> From V.J. Rada > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>> From V.J. Rada > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> ---- > >> >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From V.J. Rada > > > > -- > From V.J. Rada >
