Summing up this mess (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of the Election for Herald and Proposal 7981)

Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:52:22 -0800 

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote:
please explain to me everything that has occurred here, it makes no sense to me and I have no idea how I'd record it in my ADoP records. 


(1) There was some back and forth about whether VJ Rada's votes counted, 
since e deregistered after voting.  (They did.)



(2) There's a strange mismatch between Rule 2513 (Campaign Proposals) and 
Rule 2034 (Vote Protection and Cutoff for Challenges).



* The former says that Campaign Proposals don't take effect unless and 
until their proposer wins the office (and in this case the proposer 
didn't).
* The latter says that resolving a proposal as adopted self-ratifies as 
not just that it was adopted, but also that it took effect.
* The absurd result is that when a Campaign Proposal passes but does not 
take effect, it is necessary to CoE on this fact to prevent it from 
ratifying into effect later.
* Even more absurdly, this can plausibly remain the case even if the 
Assessor includes a note that it didn't take effect, because that note 
isn't legally a part of the resolution. To do it properly I think e has to 
actually formulate it as a CoE (which e might do and respond to in the 
same message).



(3) The Campaign Proposal _was_ adopted, but did not take effect. 
However, the CoEs and arguments based on (2) were confusing to the 
Assessor as well, so on several occasions e made revisions stating it 
wasn't adopted, causing further CoEs.


Greetings,
Ørjan.


On 11/30/2017 4:26 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:

Just in case, I doubt that Proposal 7981 was adopted with the CFJ I
submitted about whether or not a previous resolution included a
self-ratifying claim that 7981 took effect.
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 15:40 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
[email protected]> wrote:


Thank you, I messed up. I CoE my last resolution, it did not include
campaign proposals:


I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7981 below. However, 7981
does not take effect.

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[This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the
  following proposals.  For each decision, the options available to
  Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a
  decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
  before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]

ID     Author(s)      AI   Title                        Pender      Pend
fee

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7981*   P. Scribonius  1    History by Force            OP          OP

|        | 7981 |
|--------+------+
|Alexis  | FF   |
|Aris    | F    |
|ATMunn  | F    |
|Corona  | F    |
|G.      | F    |
|o       | A    |
|PSS     | F    |
|VJ Rada | F    |
|--------+------+
|F/A     | 8/1  |
|AI      | 1.0  |
|V       | 8    |
|Q       | 4    |
|P       | T    |


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Title: "History by Force"

Author: PSS

Co-author(s):

AI: 1

ID: 7981

Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following text:

{

     The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting Agoran

     fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of any

     authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player

     publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history SHOULD

     offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report.



     The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable

     effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of

     receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded.

     The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading.

}

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I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the first round,
we eliminate PSS with 2 votes, then Corona wins in the second round with 8
votes, the ballots were as follows:

PSS: {PSS, Corona}

ATMunn: {Corona, PSS}

Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS}

VJ Rada: 5x {VJ Rada, Corona}

G.: {PSS, Corona}

Aris: {Corona, PSS}

o: {Corona, PSS}

On 11/30/2017 03:34 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:

It was adopted. It didn't take effect. Those are not the same things.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 15:33 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
[email protected]> wrote:


Yes, because the proposal was not adopted.
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[email protected]




On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:40 AM, Alexis Hunt <[email protected]> wrote:

Only the election resolution?

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 at 06:06 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
[email protected]> wrote:


I accept and I republish the below:

I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the first

round,

we eliminate PSS with 2 votes, then Corona wins in the second round

with 8

votes, the ballots were as follows:

PSS: {PSS, Corona}

ATMunn: {Corona, PSS}

Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS}

VJ Rada: 5x {VJ Rada, Corona}

G.: {PSS, Corona}

Aris: {Corona, PSS}

o: {Corona, PSS}

On 11/30/2017 12:04 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:


Correct, CoE accepted. I republish the below:

CoEs, on whichever are the non-superseded versions/revisions of this
(I am getting confused about that too): VJ Rada's votes are missing.


On a cursory search of the Rules, it seems that the Playerhood of
voters is _only_ measured at the initiation of the decision (683 §2).
I found nothing voiding their ballots if they subsequently
deregister.  And the default voting strength 1 is also defined for
arbitrary entities.

My apologies if I've missed something obvious.

Greetings,
Ørjan.


I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7954-7956 below.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

[This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the
following proposals.  For each decision, the options available to
Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a
decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]

ID     Author(s)      AI   Title                        Pender
Pend fee





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7981*   P. Scribonius  1    History by Force            OP

OP


|        | 7961 |
|--------+------+
|Alexis  | FF   |
|Aris    | F    |
|ATMunn  | F    |
|Corona  | F    |
|G.      | F    |
|o       | A    |
|PSS     | F    |
|--------+------+
|F/A     | 7/1  |
|AI      | 1.0  |
|V       | 7    |
|Q       | 4    |
|P       | T    |




////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Title: "History by Force"

Author: PSS

Co-author(s):

AI: 1

ID: 7981

Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following

text:

{

    The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting

Agoran



    fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of 
any


    authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player

    publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history

SHOULD


    offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report.



    The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable

    effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of

    receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded.

    The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading.

}



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I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the first
round, Corona wins with 6 votes, the ballots were as follows:

PSS: {PSS, Corona}

ATMunn: {Corona, PSS}

Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS}

G.: {PSS, Corona}

Aris: {Corona, PSS}

o: {Corona, PSS}

On 11/29/2017 08:52 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

In a message yesterday called "CFJ and deregistration". I think it

was

before the end of the voting period.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
<[email protected]> wrote:

When did you deregister?

On 11/29/2017 08:50 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

CoE: As a non-player, my votes do not count.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
<[email protected]> wrote:

I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7954-7956 below.





------------------------------------------------------------------------


[This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt

the

following proposals.  For each decision, the options available

to

Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a
decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]

ID     Author(s)      AI   Title
Pender      Pend fee





---------------------------------------------------------------------------

7981*   P. Scribonius  1    History by Force
OP          OP

|        | 7961 |
|--------+------+
|Alexis  | FF   |
|Aris    | F    |
|ATMunn  | F    |
|Corona  | F    |
|G.      | F    |
|o       | A    |
|PSS     | F    |
|VJ Rada | F    |
|--------+------+
|F/A     | 8/1  |
|AI      | 1.0  |
|V       | 8    |
|Q       | 4    |
|P       | T    |






////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


Title: "History by Force"

Author: PSS

Co-author(s):

AI: 1

ID: 7981

Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the
following text:

{

    The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting
Agoran


    fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay 
of

any


    authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any 
player


    publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history
SHOULD

    offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly

report.




    The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with

reasonable


    effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of

    receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was

awarded.


    The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for

reading.


}





////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the
first round, we eliminate PSS with 2 votes, then Corona wins in
the second round with 8 votes, the ballots were as follows:

PSS: {PSS, Corona}

ATMunn: {Corona, PSS}

Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS}

VJ Rada: 5x {VJ Rada, Corona}

G.: {PSS, Corona}

Aris: {Corona, PSS}

o: {Corona, PSS}

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