(Because scams are a big part of nomic and it wouldn't be "complete"
without it)

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Scams ARE the method.
>
> I find that ribbons are a bit like the Nomic Decathlon of Agora, and Black
> Ribbons are the scam challenge. It would feel a lot less Decathlon-like if
> we removed that challenge.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:44 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I meant to say give an earnable method (that I'm no closer
>> to that anyone) for black.  Disliked them for at least a year when
>> I was nowhere near winning.
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> > This change, mind you, would make G win.
>> >
>> > Gaelan
>> >
>> > > On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
>> > > (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
>> > >> On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +0000, Alex Smith wrote:
>> > >>> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> > >>>> As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
>> > >>>> of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
>> > >>>> when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
>> > >>>> made
>> > >>>> this particular scam expected/ok.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but
>> on
>> > >>> the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
>> > >>> are
>> > >>> involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
>> > >>> Perhaps
>> > >>> I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
>> > >>> punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
>> > >>> normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
>> > >>> willing to live with the resulting punishment).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
>> > >>> way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
>> > >>> that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
>> > >>> probably unlikely to happen here.
>> > >>
>> > >> Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
>> > >> never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
>> > >> would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
>> > >> cardable offence.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> ais523
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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