Proto-gratuitous arguments:

There are several issues with this argument. (s/thought/(thought or idea) 
Agora did not originate the thought of Agora. While Agora may embody that 
thought, the thought was originated by Michael Norrish.
Freely originating thoughts means originating thoughts of its own accord. Agora 
can’t just go out and originate some idea that hasn’t been thought of by a 
player in the past. Agora is not free to originate independent thoughts.
Thoughts plural. Even ignoring the above points, Agora only originates the 
thought of itself.
Agora has no independent thoughts. Any “thoughts” contained within Agora were 
originally from a player.
Agora does not communicate ideas freely. It only communicates ideas that one of 
us has sent to the mailing list and is incapable of communicating any other 


> On Feb 12, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Cuddle Beam <> wrote:
> I Free-CFJ the following: "Agora is a Person"
> Grat. Arguments:
> R869 says "Any organism that is generally capable of freely
> originating and communicating
> independent thoughts and ideas is a person."
> There is no mention that the independent thoughts and ideas that are
> originated or communicated need to be from this "person" themselves. With
> that known:
> Agora originates the thought of Agora itself (as its current being - a real
> thing). If it didn't exist, we wouldn't be able to think of
> Agora-the-real-thing as we do now.
> Existing as it does now _initiates_ the process of creating the thought of
> acknowledging that it exists, therefore it fulfills the definition of
> "originating" that thought.
> There is no extraordinary restriction to how Agora performs this feat,
> therefore, Agora freely originates the thought of Agora itself.
> Agora is a communication system, evidenced by this mailing list and R101.
> It communicates (without extraordinary restriction) our own independent
> thoughts and ideas, by merit of being a transportation system of those
> things.
> And so, Agora does in fact freely originate independent thoughts/ideas (in
> other entities which are capable of such) and communicates thoughts/ideas
> (from others). Agora is a person.

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