Actually, the CFJ I submitted was not to the public forum, so it doesn't
count. But you seem to have covered it up pretty well, so I won't resubmit.
On 2/9/19 11:36 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
I submit the following CFJ, and I suggest the same Judge to be assigned to
both (it's trivially False if Trigon's is False too, but if Trigon's is
True then we're in big business):
"All Players are parties to the Rules as a contract."
I don't know how the retroactive nature of the Agora-contract works - if
everyone is now a party of the Agora-contract, ie. a player of Agora, or if
only people who have registered while the contract rule was in place - but
a few curious things that now could happen because of it regardless.
- Agora-contract can never fall below two players, because of R1742: "A
contract automatically terminates if the number of parties to it falls
below two", and Anti-Ossification is Power 4. Amusingly, the whole consent
deal has less priority than Anti-Ossification, so even if you don't want to
stay as a player the rules will NON-CONSENSUALLY keep you as a player to
ensure it's survival.
- You can change the rules if everyone agrees to it, without needing a
proposal for it. R1742: "A contract may be modified, including by changing
the set of parties, by agreement between all existing parties."
- R1742: "Parties to a contract governed by the rules SHALL act in accordance
with that contract." - redundant but it would mean that breaking SHALLs,
will mean blots for two things, the direct SHALL you broke and this one.
Cool stuff.
- Assets are BOTH public and private now, lmao. R2166: "A rule defined
asset is public; one defined by a contract is private."
I transfer 1 coin to the Ruleset (ie. Agora as a contract).
Note that Agora as a contract and Agora itself is, bizarrely, two separate
things. Contracts are the agreement itself, the agreement per se, not the
container or form which the agreement exists within such as the textual
rules. For example, in the case that the membership to the Agora-contract
isn't retroactive, it means some people will be bound to Agora as a
contract, and some people will not be, and it's the facet of Agora as a
contract to the which that I'd be making the transfer to.
Bizarre shit. But I love it.
Another CFJ which is trivially False if Trigon's is False, but anyways, I
call the following:
"The Ruleset (as a contract) now has 1 coin."
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 6:44 PM Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Upon my first reading, this didn't surprise me that much. It makes sense
that these systems would look similar because AFAIK Contracts were
actually modeled after the rules. However, then I realized that CFJ 3664
where G. and D. Margaux informally agreed to do something but because it
satisfied all the requirements for a contract it was considered to be one.
So let's see:
1) Is it an "agreement"?
2) Did players consent to it?
3) Did said players have the intention that it would be binding upon
them and governed by the rules?
These are the same tests judge twg wrote for CFJ 3664. And I'm pretty
sure the rules satisfy them.
I CFJ: "The Rules are a Contract"
For this CFJ, this message is evidence.
Thanks, Cuddles, for the idea.
On 2/9/19 10:14 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
I might have something wrong, hence why I'm posting it here for
scrutiny, but I suspect Agora itself is a contract (with all that
implies, oh boy).
We have in Rule 869 with Power 3: "A person, by registering, agrees to
abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a person to abide
by any agreement without that person's willful consent."
So, registering is an agreement, an agreement to abide by the rules
(by power 3).
We also have Rule 1742 with power 2.5: "Any group of two or more
consenting persons (the parties) may make an agreement among
themselves with the intention that it be binding upon them and be
governed by the rules. Such an agreement is known as a contract."
Now, this is a bit of a rough part but, a contract doesn't need to be
called or known to be a contract, to be a contract. Its just a name to
a form of agreement.
We've all agreed to the Agora-contract with intention that it's
binding onto us and be governed by the rules via registering, because
it expressly means that we agree to abide by the rules.
It's a bit weird that the contract and the rules that govern them are
the same thing, but that's the case in Agora itself.
So, Agora is a contract.
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